Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fred, I don't remember what you said about Slaan's reads vanishing. Are you sure they weren't just progression the opposite way?

Can you find that for me?

[Fredwood]

Fred, I don't remember what you said about Slaan's reads vanishing. Are you sure they weren't just progression the opposite way?

Can you find that for me?

What do you mean? I confronted him about his inconsistency and his defense was him saying on Winston he was sheeping you and forgot, and with me he was misusing the term Lock clear, and with Monty...I don't really know what he's claimed, it felt like a non-answer.

The thing is I guess they all could possibly true together but just feels unlikely for a player of his ilk. So if there's a plausible scenario it comes down to tone under pressure, and aside from his post against you, his posts against me have felt relatively good. So I'm not sure what to do with it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What do you mean? I confronted him about his inconsistency and his defense was him saying on Winston he was sheeping you and forgot, and with me he was misusing the term Lock clear, and with Monty...I don't really know what he's claimed, it felt like a non-answer.

The thing is I guess they all could possibly true together but just feels unlikely for a player of his ilk. So if there's a plausible scenario it comes down to tone under pressure, and aside from his post against you, his posts against me have felt relatively good. So I'm not sure what to do with it.

If it were me in his shoes, I'd be having the time of my life.

Don't assume too much about how he'd be feeling as scum. Everyone has been suggesting scums have to be hiding after the collapse, they gotta be like Cuth or Xia and just afraid to show their faces.

How does that win, if they weren't lock town before the collapse?

And if that assumption doesn't hold true for that specific player, then it's a bad read.

I'll go looking.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The bulk of my case was based on the passive aggression post, bantering with the dead scums, and arguments against Zack being scum. Plus tinfoils about crumbs that didn't pan out.

I didn't think the reads progression was AI or I didn't take it into account, since he bussed a couple times.

[Fredwood]

The bulk of my case was based on the passive aggression post, bantering with the dead scums, and arguments against Zack being scum. Plus tinfoils about crumbs that didn't pan out.

I didn't think the reads progression was AI or I didn't take it into account, since he bussed a couple times.

The only progression I have an issue with is Monty

With Winston, when he defended himself against you in his flowery post, he said as scum he wouldn't have killed Winston cus he had a null read on him, when he had Winston as top tier town N1. It gets into WiFOM because why does scum just forget things like that, but why would town basically fabricate a read that they forget later.

With me it just felt odd that he lock cleared me and then put me in his POE. I don't have an issue with anybody putting me in POE but if you lock clear me I need a reason for the retraction, and there was nothing between the lock clear and the retraction to indicate that he had reason to. His point is that he re-read the first 30 pages of the game and hadn't finished, but he had DP and Monty as lock, or near lock when any reason for locking either of them hadn't happened yet either.

Not even to rehash the spew inconsistencies.

The best way to get into my blindside is to respond to my good points like I would respond to good points, which he did for me with a multiple of my issues. So I have a flaw in my meta lol.

[Slaan]

Well I think I have said 'lock clear' to so many ppl that wouldnt have much of a PoE left if I ignored them all ^^.

Pizza falling for confirmation bias right now I think... well actually for a bit longer already. Like this was no way pocketing towards dp, why would I try to pocket over smth like that after I said that I still have some doubts about him in the back of my head... would be a bad move overall.

But I can make you guys a deal: Hammer me tomorrow but then promise me to lynch Xia after.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I think I have said 'lock clear' to so many ppl that wouldnt have much of a PoE left if I ignored them all ^^.

Pizza falling for confirmation bias right now I think... well actually for a bit longer already. Like this was no way pocketing towards dp, why would I try to pocket over smth like that after I said that I still have some doubts about him in the back of my head... would be a bad move overall.

But I can make you guys a deal: Hammer me tomorrow but then promise me to lynch Xia after.

Why would I do X as scum is becoming worn out.

I'd always go Csargo after you, not Xia.

If someone really really thinks it must be Xiahou, final 4 seems fine. I'll be spinning in my grave if he flips town for the loss.

[Fredwood]

Why would I do X as scum is becoming worn out.

I'd always go Csargo after you, not Xia.

If someone really really thinks it must be Xiahou, final 4 seems fine. I'll be spinning in my grave if he flips town for the loss.

inb4 Pizza Xia final 3

[Fredwood]

Well I think I have said 'lock clear' to so many ppl that wouldnt have much of a PoE left if I ignored them all ^^.

Pizza falling for confirmation bias right now I think... well actually for a bit longer already. Like this was no way pocketing towards dp, why would I try to pocket over smth like that after I said that I still have some doubts about him in the back of my head... would be a bad move overall.

But I can make you guys a deal: Hammer me tomorrow but then promise me to lynch Xia after.

See it's posts like these that scream town under pressure. Then again Wifom.

[Askthepizzaguy]

See it's posts like these that scream town under pressure. Then again Wifom.

WIFOM.

Kill me, then kill blank, is not a worse position if it means people don't kill him as he suggested.

I wouldn't say hammer me, then lynch X as scum, same argument.

His defense is all wine by this point in the game.

[Slaan]

WIFOM.

Kill me, then kill blank, is not a worse position if it means people don't kill him as he suggested.

I wouldn't say hammer me, then lynch X as scum, same argument.

His defense is all wine by this point in the game.

Wasnt intended as a defence, was me telling you guys to please kill Xia because it will be me revolting in my grave when the game ends in a mafia victory because Xia survived :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Monty's game is super good, but if you want to put Monty into town and lynch someone I cleared, as someone I perhaps mistakenly cleared, that's acceptable to me.

I even kept re-reading about Cuth, as he's suggesting he would totally collapse as scum in that position.

I think that's maybe true for him, but the dead wolf spew is too strong.

If that's wrong only you can decide in final 4. But I'd leave questions of super deep wolves until that lylo round.

Go for the more likely to be scum based on their behavior toward the dead scums scenarios, and vice-versa.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Calling who the mafia are but not pushing them is not credit.

You give Xia no credit for actually voting wolves when they weren't consensus and it's a dangerous vote, but give yourself credit for calling GH as scummy if Logic flips and then pushing the same narrative as him when Logic did flip.

If you are town and coincidentally happened to do this then yeah, credit. Won't take it away.

But that looks more like PIS than solving.

[Fredwood]

Well I think I have said 'lock clear' to so many ppl that wouldnt have much of a PoE left if I ignored them all ^^.

Pizza falling for confirmation bias right now I think... well actually for a bit longer already. Like this was no way pocketing towards dp, why would I try to pocket over smth like that after I said that I still have some doubts about him in the back of my head... would be a bad move overall.

But I can make you guys a deal: Hammer me tomorrow but then promise me to lynch Xia after.

Also, the good news is that if he's consistently confbiasing both you and CSargo

[Slaan]

In addition to not seeing a towniness... I actually feel like you don't want to see it because you sussed me all game. I probably made a mistake when describing my mafia meta to you because you tinfoiled on me basically fromt he start (everyone that looks good on Logic received a lock town expect me who you had at 98% and even after I made other posts you loved you still left me there)...

I mean I'm not ever 100% towny, never ever. But I think that this point you are tunneling on the sus you had on me all game and try to fit everything to match it kinda. Can't do anything about that but thougth to mention how I see this push of yours rn ^^

[Askthepizzaguy]

In addition to not seeing a towniness... I actually feel like you don't want to see it because you sussed me all game.

I do want to see it, man.

I wanted to see it so badly I put suspicious posts of yours as townie for you without knowing your meta.

I have the opposite desire, I wanted to town with you so bad this game.

And I still do, but your defenses are all coming up shallow to me.

[Slaan]

I do want to see it, man.

I wanted to see it so badly I put suspicious posts of yours as townie for you without knowing your meta.

I have the opposite desire, I wanted to town with you so bad this game.

And I still do, but your defenses are all coming up shallow to me.

I mean I don't see how I could defend myself differently ^^. Feel free to tell (or after the game) what you'd do in my shoes here.. I've accepted that I'm probably getting mislynched and mainly just post here to try to get ppl to maybe vote Xia at some point even if I were to die... (and because I don't have much else to do till night result is announced)... there isnt much more for me to do in my eyes :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

I mean I don't see how I could defend myself differently ^^. Feel free to tell (or after the game) what you'd do in my shoes here.. I've accepted that I'm probably getting mislynched and mainly just post here to try to get ppl to maybe vote Xia at some point even if I were to die... (and because I don't have much else to do till night result is announced)... there isnt much more for me to do in my eyes :)

Process.

I'll tell you in postgame how a scummy looking game can be read townie when you're townie. Don't have enough time left unless someone doesn't shoot me tonight.

I was in an endgame once with a guy who had pushed on scums, and a guy who pushed the wrong people a lot, and was suspected a lot.

Process is what helped me see he had real townie thoughts while trying to solve, and the other guy was just clearing hurdles.

Got both terms as part of my town solving method ever since that game over a year ago.

Your process is iffy.

You can look scummy and be a townie, but with a bad process like dropping reads or being inconsistent, having a defense of "I wouldn't do that as mafia", is effort, but still just clearing hurdles with a bad process.

I can't fix your process if it looks scummy but isn't, i can only identify if the process looks wrong to me.