Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

Lovers or Masons?

Lovers can be guilty-innocent.

Look at what we know about game mechanics.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Look at what we know about game mechanics.

You and the Csargo form a symbiant circle. What vig shot lands on one of you will affect the other.

Hmm.

I think that weakens town if he's mafia. Gives them an extra kill if the scum dies.... but then again, makes it even more likely a vig shot will kill a mafia.

But I'd still like to know if you guys actually know each other is town, or if you're just told the other dies when you do and that you're lovers.

That's an important clarification.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Monty, Csargo, do you know mechanically that the other is town or not?

[Slaan]

Now I got a question: Isnt a lover pair of town/mafia considered 3p here that only wins together and not with their respective alignments? That how it works where I'm from

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now I got a question: Isnt a lover pair of town/mafia considered 3p here that only wins together and not with their respective alignments? That how it works where I'm from

I can't speak for Sooh.

I haven't played enough on Dragonmount to know how they handle lovers, never saw any while I played there a few times.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Of the two, Csargo still looks guiltier to me. So I'll read his game and decide if it makes sense...

If not, I'll help Slaan self-terminate.

[Csargo]

Of the two, Csargo still looks guiltier to me. So I'll read his game and decide if it makes sense...

If not, I'll help Slaan self-terminate.

I will continue to be forever and always townie to the core, so lynch me if you can't see that.

Vote:Slaan

[Slaan]

So some random thoughts under the assumption they are essentially 3p... quickly how it works on where I'm from: Fellow wolfes know of the '3p wolf' but don't know he is 3p. 3p wolf participates as normally in choosing NK target.
- Would there be yet another mafia around? Unlikely, because then there would be 5 mafia in total and that would've raised eyebrows with the other wolves in this 17 person set up
- So that would mean that mafia faction itself was eliminated (quite possible Sooh wouldnt comment on that)
- Balance would look bad for mafia. Only 3 ppl and they have an opposing factions that knows their identities... yea very unlikely, I'm going to discard this possibility.

[Slaan]

Now onto the possibilities of a mafia/town that doesnt win alone but with their respective alignments... havent ever seen this before so I'm just spitballing
- I think it's NAI overall in terms of balancing? Yes mafia looses on of their own if the townies dies but the same goes the other way too.
- Town Joat giver does seem strongly very pro town and with a potential doc still out there... if there isnt a doc though I can see a town/mafia couple here. I mean w/o investigative roles having ~25% mafia is rather mafia sided in the first place
- Two townies in couple would be strongy anti town, so then I'd assume a doc is around and the doc wouldnt be among them?

Idk how strongly I should evaluate those PR's though... do they make up for a missing cop alone even with joat+doc? I think this would roughly equalize so why penalize town with a two town couple? Probably because it was 17 players at start and not 16 (for the exact 25% mafia ratio), so forcing two townies to essentially have one 'killspot' together fits here.

So I guess I buy the two towny theory? Which is great as this guarantees my Xia lynch at some point

[Montmorency]

Uhm, why wouldnt there be mafia lover in that setup? It seems highly likely to me from the simple that fact that the rules state 'There is no cult', not 'there is no 3p' which town/mafia lovers are essentially.

Think about the game balance.

We know Choxorn is an inventor with at least 1x Vig and 2x Doctor/protect. We know the Mafia had 1x Strongman. Without speculating on roles for the final Mafia, which is almost certainly not a killing role at this point, attaching one of four scum to a lover is a serious handicap.

Monty, Csargo, do you know mechanically that the other is town or not?

It is not host-confirmed.

[Csargo]

Monty, Csargo, do you know mechanically that the other is town or not?

No it doesn't specifically say he's town. It says blah blah blah town lover.