Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

That's pretty scummy there.

Csargo's never had a problem just faffing around and throwing votes at random wolves.

Such a process "pizza is gonna lynch me anyway, what I do doesn't matter" is wolfy.

Monty. Tell me how that isn't.

Because on his own, he was POE. 'Please stop lolcatting, Csargo'. 'Doesn't matter, I'm getting lynched.' Even if Csargo were to suddenly pull XCOM-caliber gameplay out of his hat from that point on, you would find it suspicious. It's an accurate description.

He was showing regard for my own status - he wasn't playing alone. I was affected by his actions.

Pizza, it's not you and it's not Csargo.

You keep going on about plans. What plan would get the Mafia here? Maybe there was no darn plan.

I don't want to do this.

[Montmorency]

You're asking me to take a heroic leap of faith.

I'm not looking at this through the Epic lens. I've messed up a lot of LYLOs desperate for that one tell. My last-minute flipped reads don't save LYLO.

The only time I've ever caught you in LYLO (or close to it), for example, town won on a coin toss. You taunted me for that.

What my straightforward thinking tells me is that Csargo is not scum, and there's no profit in considering all the ways you could be scum:

So I was like, he can possibly be scum still somehow, therefore he is scum.

Confirmation Bias.

Vote: Cuth

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're asking me to take a heroic leap of faith.

No, I'm asking you to read his posts from a certain point of view, with an open mind.

Then make a decision.

Ask me questions if you're not sure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What you do is up to you. I should have pushed this harder on the day you claimed, and I should have pushed it harder yesterday so Xiahou wouldn't get lynched.

You're both alive because the scums wanted you both to be alive. The wolves' behavior shows it, the lynches show it, the murders show it.

Csargo doesn't have a town process, even in the stuff you're reporting to me from the quicktopic.

You're the only person I can persuade. You tell me when to stop trying to.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuth isn't voting for himself, and if I'm voting for Cuth, it will be because I've failed to persuade you.

And then I still don't vote there. You and Csargo lynch him with 2 votes and everyone gets to laugh at me in postgame when it's still Cuth.

But I will put your mind at ease:

If you guess wrong, anyone who beats you up for it is a shitty person.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is internet guessing game. Guessing wrong is allowed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Afk until 11 hours from now (maybe)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, look.

Voting with you against Cuth is basically symbolic if I don't agree with it. It's a symbol I don't need to display.

I'll reason with you but I won't twist arms. Don't feel like the only acceptable outcome for me is what I believe.

I just think it's this person and want you to see it too, and if it's wrong, lead me to the correct option.

But only one of us is right at the moment.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*Not voting with you

(edit to above)

You are in a lylo situation and are town read and have another person correctly locked town. There are dead wolves and everyone's leans to read, nightkill decisions, and you shared a qt all game with one of the suspects. You have all round to mull. I'm not going to care if you guess wrong.

We all did our jobs and gave our opinions and voted. That's all that can be asked.

So the pressure, ironically, should be off. Time to relax.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you decide it is cuth and I can't outvote you and won't send it to a tie.

I'm not gonna speed lynch him and he won't self vote, so your current vote isn't an issue to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because on his own, he was POE. 'Please stop lolcatting, Csargo'. 'Doesn't matter, I'm getting lynched.' Even if Csargo were to suddenly pull XCOM-caliber gameplay out of his hat from that point on, you would find it suspicious. It's an accurate description.

He was showing regard for my own status - he wasn't playing alone. I was affected by his actions.

Pizza, it's not you and it's not Csargo.

You keep going on about plans. What plan would get the Mafia here? Maybe there was no darn plan.

I don't want to do this.

Do you want me to explain it again, or is your mind made up?

I'm not ending the game on a coin flip.

If you're not persuadable then I'm wasting my time.

[Montmorency]

It would be heroic to trust your gut over mine. Maybe you would find it sensible and obvious. Call Xiahou my hero shot this game.

I see your version of events in reading Csargo's posts. It's possible. It's not enough. I have more than 50% confidence now, and I had more than 50% confidence an RL day ago. I've given my reasons. I don't expect Csargo or Cuth to have anything groundbreaking to add. I don't have anything left to talk about. Actually, I have one thing. DP flipped as a tiebreaker role, almost tailor-made for this kind of final round. A tiebreaker and a (potentially unlimited) inventor/baker against a strongman and a hamstrung anti-PR, that's a tougher balance than we even imagined before. Let there be scumminess, but I don't buy your narrative thread in organizing the game. Just because I don't have a better one doesn't mean there must be a better one.

Lay it all on me: Monty vs. Pizza. Who got it more right? Who got it more wrong? I don't want to be persuadable. I don't want to say that I'll keep looking and thinking over and over until I suddenly experience a conversion. I'm not going to suggest that I maybe possibly come in voting Csargo 5 minutes before deadline to look like a badass. I believe this is the right way to play.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I often change my mind after a sleep and a think.

I'll wait and give you the full time.

Otherwise, I'll accept that your mind is made up, and won't tie it, and will hope to god I'm wrong.

[Csargo]

I guess we'll see. Only other possibility is Monty, but I'm committed at this point.

Vote:Cuth

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am just posting to prove I am not a slow rolling, fancy playing wolf that fooled everyone good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lock town pizzaguy. I was getting worried you might get suspected at some point in this game.

Gonna study this game and figure out how I discovered the secret to not even being suspected by the people I pushed.

It can't just be the bussing. I must have hit my stride on villageriness in my posts as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll never turn to the dark side.

I am a Jedi. Maybe one about to get blasted by force lightning because I didn't keep my saber up, but I'm still a Jedi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cuthcats?

[Csargo]

It's cuz you vigged Zack, which was confirmed by Choxorn at some point. Either this game is broken mechanically, or you're town.