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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Its a shame we cant read trough the QT's because it would have been interesting to read through the development of the scum team and also witness the dynamics of the lover team. I kind of feel bad for Csar though. Pretty cruel role to be screwed no matter how the game developed.
    How so?

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    How so?

    Maybe i just dont quite clearly understand this lover mechanics as ive not witnessed one before where one is scum and one not.
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    I thought we were essentially renamed masons, until ATPG said otherwise.
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    If Csargo was my lover and my whole team had died - did we elope?

    Are we living happily ever after in Szeged?
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    @Montmorency

    Not the greatest team performance but easily the best solo hero for a scum I've ever seen. Congratulations. I don't know I I'd have ever suspected you if I were in the game anyway. Why did you kill me?

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    @Montmorency

    Not the greatest team performance but easily the best solo hero for a scum I've ever seen. Congratulations. I don't know I I'd have ever suspected you if I were in the game anyway. Why did you kill me?
    On N3 the choices were DP-Slaan-Pizza, but the specter of a doctor, and not wanting to kill predictably straight down the Lock-Town list, led me to choose you as a kind of trick shoot.

    Probably not the best option. But I made loads of blunders over the course of the game, and I somehow made it through. I guess Bobby Fischer was wrong when he said, "All that matters on the chessboard is good moves."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    But I made loads of blunders over the course of the game, and I somehow made it through. I guess Bobby Fischer was wrong when he said, "All that matters on the chessboard is good moves."
    A good move in chess might not be good move in mafia. You sold yourself to Csargo, Pizza and the rest of the town. Rest of the moves were not that important. No matter how i look at it. Im amazed how you pulled this through and seemingly with ease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    If Csargo was my lover and my whole team had died - did we elope?

    Are we living happily ever after in Szeged?
    If you wish, but the mafia-chessteam delegation won the tournament. Csargo lost his game. He can still live happily ever after with you though.

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    stupid browser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha View Post
    Maybe i just dont quite clearly understand this lover mechanics as ive not witnessed one before where one is scum and one not.
    I mean, Csargo would have to die for town to win, if that's what you mean.


    And Csargo, I understood quite early on that you didn't know the distinction between lovers/masons/neighbors. Masons are the only ones guaranteed to have the same alignment. Otherwise the pairings may or may not be mixed alignment wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    I mean, Csargo would have to die for town to win, if that's what you mean.


    And Csargo, I understood quite early on that you didn't know the distinction between lovers/masons/neighbors. Masons are the only ones guaranteed to have the same alignment. Otherwise the pairings may or may not be mixed alignment wise.
    I still don't know what neighbors are.

    I've heard of lovers as a scum/villager pairing, but never seen one before.
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    I knew it was Monty.

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    I knew it was Monty.
    Can we get a sample from the Dead Chat?
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    No, hang on, that's a total lie.

    I had no idea.

    Magnificent play, man.

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    Honestly, I went through reinoe, Slaan, Fred and just about everyone else, up to and including a late tinfoil on pizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Hughes View Post
    Honestly, I went through reinoe, Slaan, Fred and just about everyone else, up to and including a late tinfoil on pizza.
    Same here. At the very end I was finding it suspicious as hell that Pizza was somehow still alive.

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    #Winstontoostrong
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    No, hang on, that's a total lie.

    I had no idea.

    Magnificent play, man.
    I was just going to say :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    I mean, Csargo would have to die for town to win, if that's what you mean.


    And Csargo, I understood quite early on that you didn't know the distinction between lovers/masons/neighbors. Masons are the only ones guaranteed to have the same alignment. Otherwise the pairings may or may not be mixed alignment wise.
    Yeah, that really messed me up, not knowing there was a distinction between them, I would have played it differently if I realized earlier. I don't think I would have ever tried to lynch Monty, but I wouldn't have tried to survive as much as I did. Hindsight.
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Csargo View Post
    Yeah, that really messed me up, not knowing there was a distinction between them, I would have played it differently if I realized earlier. I don't think I would have ever tried to lynch Monty, but I wouldn't have tried to survive as much as I did. Hindsight.
    My bad. I assumed people here knew what lovers were, or that you would try to look it up when you saw it wasn't masons. I can try to add a link to an explanation next time I use roles that I'm not sure have been used here before, in the interest of fairness.

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    Just something so simple as rand has so much to say for a game. Had Slaan or Pizza been randed into the lover pair instead, the game might have been very very different. It certainly would have made things trickier for Monty :)

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    Just something so simple as rand has so much to say for a game. Had Slaan or Pizza been randed into the lover pair instead, the game might have been very very different. It certainly would have made things trickier for Monty :)
    I think this might be more like a significant structural advantage, that if the whole team save one is eliminated early, they will have an easier time of surviving to the endgame than in normal circumstances, so long as they stick to the middle of the pack.

    This is what happened in FrenchRev and XCOM as well. The "sweet spot". In FrenchRev admittedly it was multidimensional given the multiball setup, where Choxorn turned out both universally town/null-read, and perceived as much less of a factional threat by people in the other 3 (4 including Mafia, but that was just him anyway) factions. But the principle remains.

    So, why did town roll in Representative Democracy and Swords & Sorcery?


    In RepDem, I still struggle to interpret the effects of the unique voting structure. But it was a scum-town-scum-town lynch, at which point Zack resigned because someone false-peeked him. However, had that not happened, Zack had a decent shot of making it to endgame, being nullish, if on the scummy side, in terms of aggregate reads.


    In Swords & Sorcery, massive PR proliferation, fierce networking, townie mindmelds, and the destruction of half the Mafia team in the first round isolated remaining scum immediately, next of whom was lynched D2. D3, the SK was lynched. D4, final-scum Snerk used his power to end the day prematurely, then resigned/suicided, because he just couldn't escape Town's wrath.

    In this victory, the final scum, Snerk, was universally POEd, so he just didn't have much chance from D2. And if it were up to me, the game would have been much closer. I wanted to lynch atheotes instead of Visor, the second scum, and I wanted to lynch Csargo instead of Snerk. So in lynches rather than in role-action and networking, I was more of a hindrance. Thinking of everything wrong townies can get you even with a bad early game by the solo-scum, we can understand why wrong townies with a good early game by solo-scum can determine the game course, even 4, 5, 6, lynches out.


    Lesson is I think, lock it in D1 and ride the wave all the way to LYLO for Mafia; pick who dies in your team on that basis, if it comes down to that. For Town I think the policy lynch for 'scum rekt' scenarios should be, always start from the middle of the pack. AND DON'T LOCK MORE THAN 3 PLAYERS AT A TIME.

    This deserves discussion. Speaking of which, where are my scomies at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    Just something so simple as rand has so much to say for a game. Had Slaan or Pizza been randed into the lover pair instead, the game might have been very very different. It certainly would have made things trickier for Monty :)
    Oh I probably would've been just as bamboozelt... lovers on my homeforum always win together, so if they are town/wolf they are essentially 3p with the wolfpartner having access to wolf chat so I'd assume that monty had no reason to lie to me and I'd just assume that we were v/v without ever looking at it >_>

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    I know there were bad vibes around some points in this game, but honestly I think that was just because the standard was so high.

    Between the usual suspects bringing their a-games, the org legends rolling back the years, and the newcomers showing exceptional game, this was an intense environment from start to finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sooh View Post
    My bad. I assumed people here knew what lovers were, or that you would try to look it up when you saw it wasn't masons. I can try to add a link to an explanation next time I use roles that I'm not sure have been used here before, in the interest of fairness.
    I shouldn't have just assumed. Should have looked it up. Now I know for the future.
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    I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.

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    I shouldn't have just assumed. Should have looked it up. Now I know for the future.
    And knowing is half the battle. Just don't forget to make the same mistake twice.

    Always make the same mistake twice.
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