Feminism out of control?

**Fragony** · 10-22-2017, 13:33

Originally Posted by Husar

So who is telling you that?

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

**Husar** · 10-22-2017, 13:40

Originally Posted by Fragony

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

I have some very leftist friends on Facebook, some of whom post a whole lot of things, but rarely, if ever, anything about gender blending or whatever it's called. Perhaps it is more common if you hang out with artists a lot, I remember at some art event a girl was shouting "I have no gender!" while playing weird games with what seemed to be her boyfriend. Perhaps I hang out with more conservative people than you do?

**Montmorency** · 10-22-2017, 13:46

Originally Posted by Fragony

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

Why shouldn't they be pushy if people like you are so quick to call them whiners? In your time here, most of what you have posted has been in defense of your personal comfort in not having to consider how a given issue affects people and the world - not just sexism and racism, but EU politics and climate change as well.

Your attitude most generally seems to be, 'If it's bad, it's better not to talk about it; if it's really bad, it must be fake or a conspiracy against my way of life.'

For once, let's try to get to the bottom of your value-set here.

What do you want from me ffs.

What do you want from yourself to begin with? Try laying it out.

**Fragony** · 10-22-2017, 13:54

It's very simple what I want, not having to defend myself just because I couldn't care less

**Montmorency** · 10-22-2017, 14:01

Originally Posted by Fragony

It's very simple what I want, not having to defend myself just because I couldn't care less

If you feel like you behave appropriately in life and have nothing to defend yourself from - then don't defend yourself? Have you considered that maybe you already agree with many of the feminist ideas?

If this is so and you have nothing that needs changing, then public discourse on the matter should hearten you; at least, it shouldn't discourage you.

If you have specific misgivings or disagreements, then you can either just not talk about it - or you can complain about and try to change it. As long as you are already complaining here, then it doesn't cost you to go into more detail...

**Fragony** · 10-22-2017, 14:23

Originally Posted by Montmorency

If you feel like you behave appropriately in life and have nothing to defend yourself from - then don't defend yourself? Have you considered that maybe you already agree with many of the feminist ideas?

If this is so and you have nothing that needs changing, then public discourse on the matter should hearten you; at least, it shouldn't discourage you.

If you have specific misgivings or disagreements, then you can either just not talk about it - or you can complain about and try to change it. As long as you are already complaining here, then it doesn't cost you to go into more detail...

Of course I already agree with feminsts idea's why wouldn't I? Hence the too in too far. 'I couldn't care less is' not enough anymore, everything needs to be gender-neutral by the new wave. I wasn't kidding earlier, they really get upset at the colors blue and pink at birthdays or gender-reveal party's, that's just one example.

Simply put, feminism used to be about equality, now about neutrality

**Montmorency** · 10-22-2017, 14:35

Originally Posted by Fragony

Of course I already agree with feminsts idea's why wouldn't I? Hence the too in too far. 'I couldn't care less is' not enough anymore, everything needs to be gender-neutral by the new wave. I wasn't kidding earlier, they really get upset at the colors blue and pink at birthdays or gender-reveal party's, that's just one example.

Simply put, feminism used to be about equality, now about neutrality

What do you mean by "gender-neutral"? Is it using certain language, wearing certain clothes, or something else? Why does it bother you?

In your example of color association, is it that someone was surprised or upset at the gendered use of color at some party, or is it that people are pointing out that there's no real reason to associate a color with a gender, and that doing so is part of a framework that can be limiting to children in how they act and are expected to act, as well as how they look? If the former, why is that important to you? Is it someone you know personally? If the latter, do you disagree that the specific blue-pink color associations are relatively-new and arbitrary?

How do you distinguish between "equality" and "neutrality" in your usage?

**Fragony** · 10-22-2017, 14:46

Color pink/blue was just an example out of many, a very real one. Neutrality is not accepting that male and females are different I guess, it's not about equality then anymore but about special treatment and pretending. That's too much to ask. You don't have to look at it like that, but I do

edit, that #metoo didn't trigger me but overall whiningness that's too close for comfort, just read up on some opinion-articles, isn't #metoo all about how females 'felt' when interacting with males? Well I have feelings too, and you are not allowed to disagree with me because of that.