Feminism out of control?

[Beskar]

I am going to throw it out there in the topic about trans.

Why do you need to ask, or even care?

If you really think about it, do you need to know what the other persons genitals are?

It is kind of creepy in a way. Why do you really need to know if they go a penis or a vagina? Over 99% of communication does not require you to know unless you are some kind of gender-gestapo.

[Montmorency]

It is kind of creepy in a way. Why do you really need to know if they go a penis or a vagina? Over 99% of communication does not require you to know unless you are some kind of gender-gestapo.

Most communication is aided by knowing how the interlocutor wants to be addressed. You don't need to ask about their genitals to ask how they want to be addressed.

[Husar]

Ehm, yes, I don't need to care or ask, that's why I also don't need to know anything about gender fluidity or the 50 different types of gender identity or whatever. Wasn't that my original point?

[Beskar]

Most communication is aided by knowing how the interlocutor wants to be addressed. You don't need to ask about their genitals to ask how they want to be addressed.

You can address them in a gender neutral manner. Common in English is the singular "they" or even using their name. If you think about it, there is very little for when it is needed.

[Husar]

You can address them in a gender neutral manner. Common in English is the singular "they"

I don't agree with they on this?!

[edyzmedieval]

How about just use "him" or "her" because people identify in one way or another more closely to a specific gender. Just ask them and be done with it, nobody cares what you consider yourself as, just be a nice person overall.

[Beskar]

How about just use "him" or "her" because people identify in one way or another more closely to a specific gender. Just ask them and be done with it, nobody cares what you consider yourself as, just be a nice person overall.

Or use gender neutral instead then no need to ever switch and it says the defaulting of the other as a male which was very common in academia and law. Imagine you are reading something which applies to you and it was saying "woman" all the time, it would come across as rather jarring, then having women argue "well, it means both genders." - this is what they put up with, in the inherent bias.

[Montmorency]

I don't agree with they on this?!

Them.

[Husar]

Them.

I'll just stick with "you", thank them very much.

I mean, eh, forget it, I was originally talking about lists like this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...acebook-users/

Why anyone would be insulted if I don't know how they identify on such a list was my original question if I recall correctly. I'm getting confused by them/that/this/it/us/you?!?!? now.
I mean I wanted to tell Fragony that it's probably not worth getting bothered by it just because someone thinks that's what the options should be. And no, I usually don't ask anyone what they would pick from that list, what weirdo came up with that idea again? Wasn't me!

[Fragony]

I'll just stick with "you", thank them very much.

I mean, eh, forget it, I was originally talking about lists like this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...acebook-users/

Why anyone would be insulted if I don't know how they identify on such a list was my original question if I recall correctly. I'm getting confused by them/that/this/it/us/you?!?!? now.
I mean I wanted to tell Fragony that it's probably not worth getting bothered by it just because someone thinks that's what the options should be. And no, I usually don't ask anyone what they would pick from that list, what weirdo came up with that idea again? Wasn't me!

Just one example out of many, many examples become a trend. I cannot ignore it unless I stop reading newspapers, magazines, stop watching tv, etc.

Latest one, in England this time, sorry my person can't come to the party, my person is pregnant. 'What is it?', it's a ehhhhh person

Totally necesary as the pregnant woman could be a transgender

Can we talk about sexual-marxism yet? Touchy I know

[Husar]

You still watch TV?

[Montmorency]

Just one example out of many, many examples become a trend. I cannot ignore it unless I stop reading newspapers, magazines, stop watching tv, etc.

Latest one, in England this time, sorry my person can't come to the party, my person is pregnant. 'What is it?', it's a ehhhhh person

Totally necesary as the pregnant woman could be a transgender

Can we talk about sexual-marxism yet? Touchy I know

If you're referring to this story, the UK government denies that it requested the use of "pregnant person" by the UN. This isn't a UK issue as such, but a stance that some medical organizations in multiple countries have adopted in the past few years.

You should realize that trans issues are much more controversial among feminists than you let on. It's not new; this has been discussed since at least the 1990s. But in my opinion the simplest compromise is "pregnant women and others"; "expectant mother" is also worth retaining since it actually bypasses the concern of gender-prescription here.

Inclusion has become the ultimate liberal fetish. Unfortunately, the uncritical expansion of categories to protect feelings is less inclusion than dilution. “All Lives Matter” is, after all, a demand for inclusion, specifically the inclusion of white trauma into the narrative of black resistance. The classic line used by men’s rights activists – “Sometimes men get beat up by women too!” – is a demand that efforts against domestic violence be “inclusive” as well. But none of these discussions are improved in the least solely by making language less precise.

Whatever you personally think, it shouldn't be surprising that the issue would have to come up in the conversation about how to integrate "trans" into society. If you refuse to stop and think, you will constantly be shocked by everything you come across. And that's a personal problem, not anybody else's.

Cause-starved activists with greasy fingers bother me, this latest hype is articially created and carefully nourished

Here's the thing: none of these ideas or debates come out of nowhere. Here, the general impetus is the question, 'How do we accommodate trans people in society?" That question will have a lot of threads, because society is a big thing. If you can at least contextualize the questions behind your various outrages, they might at least not get you helplessly worked up.

sorry my person can't come to the party, my person is pregnant. 'What is it?', it's a ehhhhh person

In English you say "my spouse", "my partner", or "my SO (significant other)."

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You can address them in a gender neutral manner. Common in English is the singular "they" or even using their name. If you think about it, there is very little for when it is needed.

The signature blocs of many of the faculty and staff at my school state the preferred pronoun choice of that person. Simple courtesy suggests you should -- barring some label or form of address clearly used solely to be flippant -- address and refer to that person in the manner that person requests.

[CrossLOPER]

gender-gestapo.

Pronouns, I'm looking for pronouns. As others said, you can default to they, which is what I usually do.