The age of minorities

[CrossLOPER]

This one is about sexual minorities, right? So holding pride parades has the aim of being left alone? To my mind, such public demonstrations carry the message "we are fun, join us".

It's more of a "I wish to cast off darkness and shame, this is who I truly am" sort of thing. It's about being honest about who you are. You finally are able to come out and tell the world what you are and see that there are so many like you and know that you are not alone.

[Gilrandir]

You finally are able to come out and tell the world what you are and see that there are so many like you and know that you are not alone.

Why do you need to tell the world of your sexual mores? Should we expect parades from BDSM or oral sex fans? Or swingers?

[Greyblades]

Why do you need to tell the world of your sexual mores? Should we expect parades from BDSM or oral sex fans? Or swingers?

You evidently have never been in the mall during july, every summer the pride parades come a knocking like overlubricated clockwork.

Of course it has to be summer else the gimps risk losing thier nipples to frostbite

[Husar]

You evidently have never been in the mall during july, every summer the pride parades come a knocking like overlubricated clockwork.

Of course it has to be summer else the gimps risk losing thier nipples to frostbite

Aren't malls heated in the UK?

[Greyblades]

The london mall is the road between buckingham palace and trafalgar square.

[Fragony]

It's more of a "I wish to cast off darkness and shame, this is who I truly am" sort of thing. It's about being honest about who you are. You finally are able to come out and tell the world what you are and see that there are so many like you and know that you are not alone.

Maybe if you live in a country where it is difficult/dangerous to be homosexual. In the Netherlands the gay-pride is more about wearing leather SM-gear and putting flamingo-feathers in your ass. Thankfully it's only a minority that attends it, but that is what you see

As Rory said earlier, most probably want to be left alone

[Gilrandir]

Maybe if you live in a country where it is difficult/dangerous to be homosexual. In the Netherlands the gay-pride is more about wearing leather SM-gear and putting flamingo-feathers in your ass. Thankfully it's only a minority that attends it, but that is what you see

As Rory said earlier, most probably want to be left alone

I see. The surefire recipe for being left alone is putting flamingo-feathers in your ass.

[Fragony]

I see. The surefire recipe for being left alone is putting flamingo-feathers in your ass.

Not exactly no, that's why I said most probably want to be left alone. They think that one out of ten males is gay or bisexual, there are about 7,5 males in the Netherlands so about. A few thousands go to these prides to stick flamingo-feathers in their ass. Majority of gays must really apreciate these exhibitionists who make a liestyle out of it and really look like the worst stereotype one could make up. I know I forget the lesbians here.

[CrossLOPER]

Why do you need to tell the world of your sexual mores? Should we expect parades from BDSM or oral sex fans? Or swingers?

I like how you equate non-traditional orientation with fetishes.

Maybe if you live in a country where it is difficult/dangerous to be homosexual. In the Netherlands the gay-pride is more about wearing leather SM-gear and putting flamingo-feathers in your ass. Thankfully it's only a minority that attends it, but that is what you see

As Rory said earlier, most probably want to be left alone

The local parade last month in Atlanta had a bunch of gay normies walking home from it. I saw one woman cosplaying Wonder Woman and some dude wearing hotpants.

Really, are you going to pick out one "extreme" example of how someone wants to express themselves and use it as a template for everyone else in a particular group? Do you think its limited to these groups? Are you going to tell me that I should think of the children?

Please. Is that gimp mask what is going to cause the downfall of the West?

I also think its somewhat disingenuous to assume that just because a country doesn't publicly behead homosexuals with a .50 cal riveted to a pickup truck, that it makes it somehow "easy" to be gay or trans.

[Fragony]

Meh, minority rule naturally in what used to be Amsterdam, no more black-pete because of a few SJW. You try explaining that black-pete is not a black slave and exists in different forms all over Europe to people of whom half of them don't even know who their father is. (or have a fatherrrrrr)

[Montmorency]

Meh, minority rule naturally in what used to be Amsterdam, no more black-pete because of a few SJW. You try explaining that black-pete is not a black slave and exists in different forms all over Europe to people of whom half of them don't even know who their father is. (or have a fatherrrrrr)

What's wrong with "Chimney Pete"?

All of those are not traditional, including polygamy, polyandry, paedophilia, zoophilia and so on. But you are missing the point: I was arguing that whatever you do in bed is your own personal business (unless it hurts others). I don't see any reason to be proud of any of the sexual preferences and sport them for others to see.

What if it's not so much the sexual preferences as the community of people and their maintenance of recognition?

[Fragony]

What's wrong with "Chimney Pete"?

Black Pete already is Chimney Pete, that's why he's black

[Husar]

Black Pete already is Chimney Pete, that's why he's black

A simple image search would prove that wrong:

https://thetravelingmogridges.files....warte-piet.gif
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LgImCDRE_4...warte-piet.jpg
http://www.doorbraak.eu/blog/wp-cont...loads/Piet.gif
http://www.winkelstickers.nl/media/c...00179-bl_2.png
http://www.luchas-promotions.nl/imag...rs-500x500.jpg
http://www.willembikker.nl/wp-conten...tievanpiet.jpg

Only Piet Piraat could be a caucasian chimney sweep.

[Gilrandir]

What if it's not so much the sexual preferences as the community of people and their maintenance of recognition?

The community united by sexual preferences.

[Gilrandir]

b) as long as we can't leave the planet...

... and some creatures keep coming from other planets.

I like how you equate non-traditional orientation with fetishes.

All of those are not traditional, including polygamy, polyandry, paedophilia, zoophilia and so on. But you are missing the point: I was arguing that whatever you do in bed is your own personal business (unless it hurts others). I don't see any reason to be proud of any of the sexual preferences and sport them for others to see.

[Fragony]

^- what he says

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...All of those are not traditional, including polygamy, polyandry, paedophilia, zoophilia and so on. But you are missing the point: I was arguing that whatever you do in bed is your own personal business (unless it hurts others). I don't see any reason to be proud of any of the sexual preferences and sport them for others to see.

Actually, everything you named on your "non traditional" list has been part of some "traditional" cultures in divers places and times. Some of them have even been religious requirements for a traditional culture. I think necrophilia may be among the few fetishes that I have never read about being an accepted part of some culture/some when. But as you mean 'traditional' according to the definition accepted in Western Culture from the Victorian era through WW2, within that limitation you are quite correct.

Regarding your comment about "sport them for others to see," the issue is less one of sexual preference than identity. Many of those taking part in pride-parades do so to assert that they 'are who they are' and have a right to be acknowledged as being who they are publicly without recrimination. In the past, too many of those in these minority groups would have been shunned or worse simply for making public a basic aspect of their identity. Call it overcompensation if you wish, but the ability to be yourself and be so acknowledged by others is an important aspect of identity and few basic needs are more important to any of us then is our sense of our own identity.

Those of us who more or less conform to the classic Western tradition simply assume that our identity is acceptable and that we need not even 'declare' who we are because it is the norm. Should someone who does not conform to that tradition really feel the need for public (and sometimes over-the-top) efforts to declare their identity as normal and equal? No, they should not. However, I have never (following high school when I was unformed) had to repress my expression of self identity from fear of harassment and abuse. Any number of those 'pride parade' folks have. So I just roll my eyes a bit at the excesses of a few of them and move on.

[CrossLOPER]

All of those are not traditional, including polygamy, polyandry, paedophilia, zoophilia and so on.

I wouldn't class child rape and animal abuse in the same group as a group of consenting adults, but when you compound upon this with:

But you are missing the point: I was arguing that whatever you do in bed is your own personal business (unless it hurts others). I don't see any reason to be proud of any of the sexual preferences and sport them for others to see.

As I have posted, repeatedly, those pride parades generally include marginalized groups that were, until fairly recently, deprived of basic rights because "they ain't right". The pride parade allows people to come out into the open and rejoice that things are improving.

I wish you would finally understand this. Just let them have it.

[Gilrandir]

Regarding your comment about "sport them for others to see," the issue is less one of sexual preference than identity.

I pity people whose identity is based solely on sexual preferences.

Many of those taking part in pride-parades do so to assert that they 'are who they are' and have a right to be acknowledged as being who they are publicly without recrimination.

Being a linguist I pay much attention to words. The word "pride" used to name the manifestation of identity is quite telling. For me.

I wouldn't class child rape and animal abuse in the same group as a group of consenting adults

Paedophilia =/= child rape. A child may be willing to engage in sexual intercourse with an adult. The same with animals. Which of course doesn't make either a norm. Although, looking at the attitude to homosexualism which has undergone a pivotal change recently one may never be sure.

The pride parade allows people to come out into the open and rejoice that things are improving.
I wish you would finally understand this. Just let them have it.

Where did you see me expressing a wish to abolish them? Let them have it as long as it doesn't impinge on others. What I argued, repeatedly, is that there is no sense to be proud of your sexual orientation. It is like being proud that you have two ears, square chin, curly hair or that you are a woman or an adult.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

...Paedophilia =/= child rape. A child may be willing to engage in sexual intercourse with an adult. The same with animals. Which of course doesn't make either a norm. Although, looking at the attitude to homosexualism which has undergone a pivotal change recently one may never be sure....

I noted them as fetishes that had been accepted in some traditional cultures or even required as part of religious practice. That was not an endorsement. As Strike noted, it is by our definition rape. In neither of those fetishes can the other participant provide informed consent.