UK Politics Thread

[Pannonian]

corbyn has one redeeming quality as a politician:
he is willing to espouse ideas he believes in regardless of whether he loses favour among his peer group for publicly diverging from the consensus.
i admire that enormously.

alright, he has another redeeming quality (as human being):
he seems to be a decent man.
but this is of limited value in politics.

in all other realms I disagree with corbyn intensely:
he is doctrinaire, in pursuing ideas long since demonstrated to be a failure.
in order to achieve his collectivist dream, he is willing to throw overboard all the individual liberty i hold dear.

He's a Brexiter, as are you.

[rory_20_uk]

He's a Brexiter, as are you.

Ye Gods! There are more things in the world than Brexiteer / not-Brexiteer.

Perhaps this will be a catalyst to a more developed / nuanced view of politics than the stale digital approach. Can people cope with the concept of two or even more variables at once??!?

[Pannonian]

Ye Gods! There are more things in the world than Brexiteer / not-Brexiteer.

Perhaps this will be a catalyst to a more developed / nuanced view of politics than the stale digital approach. Can people cope with the concept of two or even more variables at once??!?

Given all the knock on effects from Brexit, other nuances are minor in significance.

[rory_20_uk]

Given all the knock on effects from Brexit, other nuances are minor in significance.

One of the biggest economic risks being viewed as Corbyn becoming PM and the effects that might have? That would be down to his other policies, nothing to do with Brexit.

[Pannonian]

One of the biggest economic risks being viewed as Corbyn becoming PM and the effects that might have? That would be down to his other policies, nothing to do with Brexit.

There may be differing views on the role of the state in Britain's economy. However, when even right wing US free marketeer think tanks conclude that the UK economy will significantly contract as a result of Brexit, why will it matter who is in charge? We'll all be in the crap, excepting the super rich who will be able to exploit the basket case that is post-Brexit Britain (cf. John Redwood's financial advice). How that crap will be distributed makes little difference.

And for that reason, I judge a politician on whether or not they're urging me to drink the kool aid. And I'll despise any politicians who urge it while making alternative arrangements for themselves.

[rory_20_uk]

There may be differing views on the role of the state in Britain's economy. However, when even right wing US free marketeer think tanks conclude that the UK economy will significantly contract as a result of Brexit, why will it matter who is in charge? We'll all be in the crap, excepting the super rich who will be able to exploit the basket case that is post-Brexit Britain (cf. John Redwood's financial advice). How that crap will be distributed makes little difference.

And for that reason, I judge a politician on whether or not they're urging me to drink the kool aid. And I'll despise any politicians who urge it while making alternative arrangements for themselves.

Ah yes, the WTO rules... Which we trade with Japan, USA, China, India, Brazil... the list is rather long. And somehow we manage to trade. Hardly optimal, but not going to end the country.

The super rich already can exploit the overseas money rules. They are pathetically easy to exploit - and cost merely a few thousand pounds to have a nice offshore Foundation with a "professional" local on the Board which means finding out the owner is almost impossible (since no books nor list of creditors is required). I found this out in about 10 minutes. Neither the Tories nor New Labour fixed this. Nor for that matter did Old Labour.

The economy will almost certainly contract, at the very least in the short term. Which puts pressure on investor / consumer confidence in the UK. Because since we run a large deficit even with the Eeeeevil Tories in power we need more to have the ability to sell money on the international markets.

If the Markets are not prepared to lend - due to the fiscal policies - then interest rates go way up and financing the debt becomes a problem. And if we are very unlucky with Corbyn nationalizing the Utilities and God knows what else debt will be truly vast. Or will he just wipe out the shareholders (which are often Pension funds since the utilities are "safe")? Then all the Banks will quickly offshore as the last vestiges of reasons to remain in the UK disappear. Possibly never to return - both no longer the gateway to Europe and the scare of electing utter nut jobs to be PM why take the risk?

Corbyn is a believer. He is an idealist. He would destroy the UK without remorse since he believes he would make something better from its ashes. Merely that he is prepared to go down with the ship doesn't make me like him any more for steering it towards the iceberg.

[Pannonian]

Ah yes, the WTO rules... Which we trade with Japan, USA, China, India, Brazil... the list is rather long. And somehow we manage to trade. Hardly optimal, but not going to end the country.

The super rich already can exploit the overseas money rules. They are pathetically easy to exploit - and cost merely a few thousand pounds to have a nice offshore Foundation with a "professional" local on the Board which means finding out the owner is almost impossible (since no books nor list of creditors is required). I found this out in about 10 minutes. Neither the Tories nor New Labour fixed this. Nor for that matter did Old Labour.

The economy will almost certainly contract, at the very least in the short term. Which puts pressure on investor / consumer confidence in the UK. Because since we run a large deficit even with the Eeeeevil Tories in power we need more to have the ability to sell money on the international markets.

If the Markets are not prepared to lend - due to the fiscal policies - then interest rates go way up and financing the debt becomes a problem. And if we are very unlucky with Corbyn nationalizing the Utilities and God knows what else debt will be truly vast. Or will he just wipe out the shareholders (which are often Pension funds since the utilities are "safe")? Then all the Banks will quickly offshore as the last vestiges of reasons to remain in the UK disappear. Possibly never to return - both no longer the gateway to Europe and the scare of electing utter nut jobs to be PM why take the risk?

Corbyn is a believer. He is an idealist. He would destroy the UK without remorse since he believes he would make something better from its ashes. Merely that he is prepared to go down with the ship doesn't make me like him any more for steering it towards the iceberg.

Everything you've said about Corbyn can be equally applied to the neolib Brexiters. And as Farage and Redwood demonstrate, they're not even willing to stay with the ship after having steered it towards the iceberg.

[Furunculus]

He's a Brexiter, as are you.

How does this relate to my comment?