UK Politics Thread

[Furunculus]

If you principally care about autonomy, why do you want to lock us into another organisation that we won't be able to get out of? Why is it that your lock is good, but the other guy's lock is bad? Shouldn't we be keeping out of CPTPP and other such organisations that lock us into anything that we can't practically exit?

This is essentially the same as your question to me about why I believe Nato is good but EU is bad, and the answer is the (practically) the same:

One is an intergovernmental treaty with very limited treaty based obligations that don't touch on domestic societal management, where the other is a ceaseless iteration of further integration via supranational means that has an explicitly political ambition and touches deeply into how society functions.

Of course labour could abrogate CPTPP, parliament is sovereign, but it would pay a political price to do so and would need to make its compromises with the EU openly. Good, the Social Chapter was a disaster in my opinion (both for me and for you), and I don't want a repeat of that.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053827013

there will be a strong compulsion on any incoming labour gov't to get a quick-win on the 'sensible brexit' and the EU will be polishing their knives in anticipation.

i don't trust labour, not least since I contend that we ended up with brexit precisely because blair sold-the-pass on the social chapter last time. so, bring on CPTPP asap before this shambles of a gov't collapses.