UK Politics Thread

[Furunculus]

Or alternatively, maybe those who are anti-EU should live up to their principles and apply their arguments across the board. If it's a bad thing to be shackled to other countries inside the EU, why is it a good thing to be shackled to other countries outside the EU, as Furunculus and the theorists he follows advocates? He's said that he'll be voting Tory to ensure this happens, until such a point that it's irreversible.

You don't actually listen to what people say to you, Rory has in the very text you quote answered the question you then go on to pose:

Perhaps we could focus on every other trade group on the planet since they all are trade pacts without the additional baggage.

It is the very essence of what we call 'dialogue' to listen to what people say, and respond on the basis of what they said.

I too have answered this very same question at your behest in the last week or so:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053827015

If you principally care about autonomy, why do you want to lock us into another organisation that we won't be able to get out of? Why is it that your lock is good, but the other guy's lock is bad?

One is an intergovernmental treaty with very limited treaty based obligations that don't touch on domestic societal management, where the other is a ceaseless iteration of further integration via supranational means that has an explicitly political ambition and touches deeply into how society functions.

this perpetual fight to interpret opposing views in the least charitable light must be exhausting for you. i have to confess the burden of correcting you - with a quote, a corrective explanation, a link to the original post, and a quote of the relevant text in that post - is more than i feel should be necessary in regular debate.