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    Boris busy with the real issues...

    Beats Macron's making the blue in the French flag darker.

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    Thought this was rather good:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...s-death-trust/

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    Partygate is really about leadership, lies and the death of trust

    Our unwritten constitution rests on the behaviour of public servants. That?s why the PM cannot simply ?get away with it?
    Jonathan Sumption

    Partygate is not about parties. It never has been. It is about personal integrity and standards in public life. The Prime Minister can put the parties, the booze, the vomiting and all the rest of it behind him. What he cannot put behind him is the sort of person that he is.

    Three points stand out from this grubby saga.

    First, the Prime Minister personally decided to criminalise almost all social contact, and then behaved as if this did not apply to him or those around him. It really does not matter whether he thought that his parties were allowed by the regulations. Their rationale was that unnecessary human contact was so dangerous that it must be forbidden by law. He cannot have believed a word of it himself. Otherwise, he would surely not have exposed himself or his staff to this supposedly mortal danger, whether it was technically permitted by the regulations or not. He made his own risk assessment, while denying the rest of us the right to make ours.

    Secondly, the Prime Minister has persistently tried to hide behind his subordinates. No one told him, he has said, that this kind of behaviour was not on. It speaks volumes about his moral values that he needed to be told.

    This sort of special pleading is a cowardly reversal of ordinary lines of responsibility. Junior staff took their lead from him. They assumed, as Sue Gray points out, that if he was there it must be OK. More senior staff had their doubts. But their only concern was that it would look bad if it got out (?a comms risk?). At the time they congratulated themselves that they had ?got away with it.? Sue Gray goes out of her way to point out that their attitudes were not typical of the rest of Whitehall. We are entitled to ask what was different about Downing Street. The answer is that its occupants knew that the Prime Minister would share their instincts. Under a more exacting boss, they would have feared for their jobs.

    Thirdly, and worst of all, the Prime Minister has denied in statements to Parliament that parties occurred, when we now know that they happened regularly in his presence. Weasel words about whether these were ?work events? are beside the point. If these statements were not outright lies, they were at the very least half-truths, calculated to mislead. By convention, misleading Parliament is a resignation matter.

    All political systems depend on integrity. That means more than just observing the rules. It requires a sense of honour and decency, a reliable instinct about how public men and women should behave.

    It calls for an instinctive recognition that there are many things which they should not do even if they legally can. Public trust in politics depends on this. Britain?s unwritten constitution is uniquely dependent on the personal standards of ministers. It is based on conventions not laws, on values not rules. Precisely because politicians can ?get away with? so much, their personal integrity matters even more than it does in other political systems.

    This is why we cannot just ?move on?. We have at the heart of our political order a man who does not care a fig for basic constitutional values, provided that he can stay in power. He is supported by politicians who care more about defending him than about protecting our political system.

    This is exceptionally serious. Political values once flouted with impunity cannot easily be restored. Conventions once broken disappear. We will feel the effects long after we have seen the back of Boris Johnson.

    Yes, we are in the midst of an international crisis, as his defenders never cease to tell us. But at such a time it is more than ever important that we should be led by people of transparent stature and integrity, whom we can implicitly trust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Boris busy with the real issues...

    Beats Macron's making the blue in the French flag darker.
    just a note that, according to the Cavendish definition, this is a type A policy. Something the government has no intention of enacting, that's only intended to set a political trap for the opposition. Type B is where they centralise power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Times
    The politicisation of the Bank of England and a weakening economy risk turning the pound into an “emerging market like” currency, analysts at Bank of America have warned.

    In a downbeat assessment of the UK’s economic prospects, the impact of Brexit, and the potential politicisation of monetary policy, the US investment bank believes investors will dump the British currency after sustained weakness this year.
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    Sharma said the Bank’s credibility has suffered over its failure to acknowledge the full impact that Brexit will have on the UK economy. He added that although UK rate-setters began raising interest rates before counterparts in the US and the eurozone, the pound has gained no “first mover advantage”.

    “We believe that the BoE is hiking for a different set of reasons than the Federal Reserve,” Sharma said. “Whereas the Fed is hiking against the backdrop of a strong domestic economy, the Bank is facing a number of unique supply challenges — most notably Brexit. As a result, each rate hike has been met by a confusing communication strategy as the Bank finds it increasingly difficult to sell rate hikes on its merits.”
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9...e9871f5b5364e4

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    I had caught the same headline yesterday.

    BoA do appear to have form here:
    https://twitter.com/julianHjessop/st...42824646320128
    Shout out to Bank of America today for their contribution to recycling (the same analyst said the same thing about sterling in 2020, and it was soon debunked)...
    On the 'why' this claim is disputed:
    https://www.ft.com/content/4d7b4e18-...2-f27cb329a11c
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    Sterling has not become an emerging market currency
    And neither will it any time soon.
    Jemima Kelly

    The idea that sterling has effectively become an emerging-market currency has become something of a common refrain in the four years since the Brexit vote.

    Bloomberg’s Sid Verma asked whether the pound was the “new Mexican peso” as early as October 2016, and the idea that it should be treated as an EM currency has been repeated many times since then. In September last year, then Bank of England Governor Mark Carney became the most high-profile person to join this gloomy chorus, pointing out that sterling volatility was at “emerging market levels”, and that the currency had “decoupled” from its peers.

    On Wednesday, it was the turn of a Bank of America analyst named Kamal Sharma, who said movements in the exchange rate had become “neurotic at best, unfathomable at worst” (we’re not quite sure what that means either), and that the pound was now an emerging market currency in all but name. Apparently Brexit had turned the pound into a mirror of the “small and shrinking” UK economy.

    So is there any truth to this? We’d argue no.

    For a start, for sterling to really be an emerging market currency, wouldn’t Britain have to be an emerging market? It seems an odd designation for the fifth- or sixth-biggest economy in the world, where income-per-capita is above $45,000 (almost four times above the threshold the World Bank sets to demarcate a “high-income country”).

    Ironically enough, those that argue that sterling is an “EM currency” are surely using very much the wrong term here. If the country is wilting away, surely “emerging” is the wrong word? Wouldn’t shrivelling be better? Drooping? Submerging? A wilting market currency, perhaps? “Emerging” suggests that the country’s economy is growing.

    Second, just because implied volatility — a measure of the market’s expectations for future gyrations in the exchange rate — is high, why should that suggest the pound is an EM currency? Clearly Brexit has been destabilising and has left the future unclear, and we all know that the one thing markets can’t stand is uncertainty, so it doesn’t seem very surprising that volatility — both actual and implied — is raised. Once some political stability has been reached, it seems likely that volatility will fall too.

    Third, just because there is now less liquidity in the pound than some of its major peers like the dollar or euro, that again does not mean it is an EM currency. There’s a difference between no longer being in the hallowed “G5” group of currencies — which it is not at all clear the pound has fallen out of permanently either — and being an emerging market currency. The Swedish krona isn’t particularly liquid, but it’s not considered EM.

    We called up Stephen Jen, CEO of Eurizon SLJ, a hedge fund that specialises in emerging markets, to get his thoughts on the matter. He was pretty emphatic about the fact that sterling was very much not an EM currency in any way, shape or form, telling us (emphasis ours):

    When you think of the uses of money — you have store of value, unit of account, medium of exchange — on all three measures it’s very difficult to argue that sterling is not one of the prime, prime, currencies in the world. It’s the number three reserve currency in the world, based on the global data, and it takes a lot of soft power for a currency to achieve that status. If you look at all the currencies that have a reserve status, they are issued by countries that have a lot of soft power. It’s not just economic might — look at India and China, their currencies are nowhere on the list.

    It’s difficult to lose that soft power, which would include things like culture, rule of law, if it’s perceived to be fair, if it operates without a lot of intervention or controls from the government, no surprises, and if it’s governed by English law, which is well understood by the markets and the world — intangible and difficult-to-quantify practices of a country. All of these underpin the support for a currency such as sterling, and it’s very difficult to supplant such a status.

    In for a penny, in for a pound

    We also called up Savvas Savouri, chief economist at Toscafund Asset Management, another hedge fund, to get his take. He told us the idea was nonsense, and that anyway he didn’t necessarily feel that calling sterling an EM currency was pejorative, given that could just be interpreted as meaning that it was grossly undervalued. He told us (our emphasis, again):

    This time next year the pound will be materially stronger, in all dimensions. One thing I’ve always remained steadfast on is that there will be an eleventh hour deal to avoid a no-deal Brexit… and the pound will then gap up — to 1.3 against the euro and 1.6 against the dollar. That’s just using back-of-the envelope, econ 101 calculations.

    Another characteristic of emerging markets (that is very much lacking in Britain’s case) is that their businesses and governments often borrow in foreign currencies — usually the dollar or the euro — due to the lower cost of borrowing associated with assets denominated in leading currencies.

    If you’re located in the UK, it’s difficult to see why you’d bother to do that, given that the government’s cost of borrowing for five years is near record lows of -0.06 per cent hit on Thursday, and the cost of borrowing for ten years remains ultra low at around 0.15 per cent as of Friday morning.

    It’s also worth remembering that, as Jen points out, the UK has global reserve currency status, making up 5 per cent of official sector reserves, according to IMF data. That’s more than the Swiss Franc, Australian dollar and Canadian dollar combined. The Fund’s figures also show that the proportion of claims in sterling have actually risen since the vote in the middle of 2016.

    Why does this matter? Because it lessens the risk that the cost of borrowing for the government will rise substantially any time soon.

    All this is not to say that the pound’s status hasn’t been significantly affected by Brexit; clearly it has been, at least temporarily. But the UK is still one of the world’s biggest and most influential economies, with leading universities, the English language, and high-quality cultural and manufacturing exports. Let’s not get carried away; the Great British Peso will live to see another day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New York Times
    Now, a leaked record of some of Mr. Banks?s emails suggest that he and his closest adviser had a more engaged relationship with Russian diplomats than he has disclosed.

    While Mr. Banks was spending more than eight million British pounds to promote a break with the European Union ? an outcome the Russians eagerly hoped for ? his contacts at the Russian Embassy in London were opening the door to at least three potentially lucrative investment opportunities in Russian-owned gold or diamond mines.

    One of Mr. Banks?s business partners, and a fellow backer of Britain?s exit from the European Union, or Brexit, took the Russians up on at least one of the deals.

    The extent of these business discussions, which have not been previously reported, raise new questions about whether the Kremlin sought to reward critical figures in the Brexit campaign. Much as in Washington, where investigations are underway into the possibility that Donald J. Trump?s campaign may have cooperated with the Russians, Britain is now grappling with whether Moscow tried to use its close ties with any British citizens to promote Brexit.

    In Washington, the investigators for the special prosecutor, Robert S. Mueller III, and Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have also obtained records of Mr. Banks?s communications, including some with Russian diplomats and about Russian business deals.

    And they have taken a special interest in close ties Mr. Banks and other Brexit leaders built to the Trump campaign.

    On Nov. 12, 2016, Mr. Banks met President-elect Trump in Trump Tower. Upon his return to London, Mr. Banks had another lunch with the Russian ambassador where they discussed the Trump visit.

    ?From what we?ve seen, the parallels between the Russian intervention in Brexit and the Russian intervention in the Trump campaign appear to be extraordinary,? said Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

    ?The Russians were apparently dangling gold mines and diamond mines and financial incentives behind one of the largest backers of Brexit,? he added.

    Earlier this month, Mr. Banks testified before a committee of Parliament in part to answer questions about his Russian ties. He acknowledged having had three meetings ? ?two lunches and a cup of tea,? as he later said in interviews ? with the Russian ambassador, Alexander V. Yakovenko, rather than just the famous boozy lunch.

    He also acknowledged reports that the ambassador had invited him to invest in the consolidation of six Russian gold mines, an offer he said he ultimately declined.

    But in his testimony, Mr. Banks did not mention the two other potentially lucrative opportunities detailed in the broader record of his electronic communications.

    One involved a state-controlled Russian diamond mining giant, Alrosa. The other involved a Russian businessman ? described in an email to Mr. Banks as ?a mini oligarch? ? and a gold mine in Conakry, Guinea.

    In an interview on Friday, Mr. Banks acknowledged that these other business deals were proposed to him, but he said that he never acted on them. He denied any wrongdoing, noting that his opposition to the European Union long predated his meeting with the Russian ambassador.

    He argued that any business discussions that emerged from those meetings were insignificant because he had never ?done any Russian deals,? so ?after the wholesale theft of my emails, there is still no smoking gun there.?

    But Damian Collins, who is chairman of the parliamentary committee investigating the potential Russian use of disinformation to influence the Brexit vote, said he had seen a record of the messages about the potential Russian mining investments and questioned Russian intentions toward Mr. Banks.

    ?The question is, Why would the Russians do this for Banks?? Mr. Collins asked in an interview. ?What it looks like is that Russia decided he was someone they wanted to do business with and they wanted to see prosper and succeed ? and Banks, alongside that, wanted to hide the extent of his contacts with the Russians.?
    Russians Offered Business Deals to Brexit?s Biggest Backer

    In related, more recent news, Alexander Lebedev has been sanctioned by Canada as one of Putin's inner circle, while the UK government has taken steps to protect him. NB. his son Evgeny was made a Lord by Boris Johnson against the advice of the security services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Russians Offered Business Deals to Brexit?s Biggest Backer

    In related, more recent news, Alexander Lebedev has been sanctioned by Canada as one of Putin's inner circle, while the UK government has taken steps to protect him. NB. his son Evgeny was made a Lord by Boris Johnson against the advice of the security services.
    Does it matter what Banks did or not do, other than legal and reputational consequences to himself?

    He ran [a] campaign in the brexit referendum, much like the dozens of other campaigns all seeking to achieve there own objectives.

    He did not run the officially recognised Leave campaign, that was Vote Leave under Cummings (not Leave.eu which he ran).

    Vote Leave famously wanted nothing to do with Leave.eu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    This time next year the pound will be materially stronger, in all dimensions. One thing I?ve always remained steadfast on is that there will be an eleventh hour deal to avoid a no-deal Brexit? and the pound will then gap up ? to 1.3 against the euro and 1.6 against the dollar. That?s just using back-of-the envelope, econ 101 calculations.
    This was published June 26 2020. At the time the exchange to USD, according to Google, was 1.26 and to Euro 1.1. For the past month those have been around the same against USD and over the past year between 1.15 and 1.2 against Euro.

    I have no idea of British monetary economics, but I do like concrete predictions.
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    ‘On Tuesday, Lord Geidt revealed that he believes that Johnson may have broken the Ministerial Code during the Partygate scandal. But rather than trigger an investigation into the Prime Minister, Lord Geidt revealed that he is unable to do so – due to Johnson’s blunt refusal to refer himself for investigation.

    ‘Absurdly, Lord Geidt also revealed that he is not even able to advise Johnson on how to better follow the Ministerial Code – because such advice would simply be ignored, thereby forcing his resignation.

    “I have attempted to avoid the Independent Advisor offering advice to a Prime Minister about a Prime Minister’s obligations under his own Ministerial Code”, Lord Geidt said.

    “If a Prime Minister’s judgement is that there is nothing to investigate or no case to answer, he would be bound to reject any such advice, thus forcing the resignation of the Independent Advisor. Such a circular process could only risk placing the Ministerial Code in a place of ridicule.”
    What checks and balances are there on the UK executive?

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    Boris Johnson wins a vote of confidence within the Parliamentary Conservative Party, 211 votes to 148.

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