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    Ken Clarke (Tory left) and Michael Howard (Tory right) have said that the Lords will oppose the government's line on the Northern Ireland protocol. Goodness knows how the unelected Lords think they have the legitimacy to challenge the elected Commons. According to the two Tory peers, they think it's a good idea for this country to observe international law and keep agreements it has made. This runs counter to what the top government lawyer in the Commons has ruled, which is that UK sovereignty means that it can unilaterally go back on its agreement with the EU.

    When will we get rid of the Lords and their jumped up pretensions? They're neither representative nor accountable, and thus they do not have legitimacy, and have no business challenging the elected Commons on this.

    In other unrelated news, the equally unelected Prince Charles has described the plan to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda as "appalling".

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    Northern Ireland cannot form a government right now, and the NIP is damaging the Belfast agreement – because the EU forgets that consent of [both] communities matters, and that east/west links matter every smidge as much as north/south.

    There needs to be accomodation from [both] parties if the issue is to be satisfactorily answered.

    https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/statu...34366234972160

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    Northern Ireland cannot form a government right now, and the NIP is damaging the Belfast agreement – because the EU forgets that consent of [both] communities matters, and that east/west links matter every smidge as much as north/south.

    There needs to be accomodation from [both] parties if the issue is to be satisfactorily answered.

    https://twitter.com/TomMcTague/statu...34366234972160
    And there is video evidence (I've seen it) of Boris Johnson, the PM who'd signed the agreement, telling DUP reps not to worry about the details of the agreement because he had no intention of keeping them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    And there is video evidence (I've seen it) of Boris Johnson, the PM who'd signed the agreement, telling DUP reps not to worry about the details of the agreement because he had no intention of keeping them.
    No doubt, both parties seemed to understand that the NIP would not achieve its stated aim of protecting the Belfast agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Times
    Boris Johnson?s Brexit team has been ordered to draw up plans to ?get around? the Northern Ireland protocol in the Brexit withdrawal agreement so the prime minister can play hardball with Brussels over trade.

    Officials in Taskforce Europe, run by Johnson?s EU negotiator David Frost, are working in secret on proposals to ensure that there do not need to be checks on goods passing from Britain to Northern Ireland.

    They believe the new attorney-general, Suella Braverman, might have to give new legal advice to justify the move. Insiders say she was appointed because her predecessor Geoffrey Cox was not willing to countenance action that will be seen in Brussels as a breach of the exit agreement.
    Brexit team seeks to evade Irish Sea checks on goods

    Article dated 23rd Feb 2020. Note: Brexit withdrawal agreement (signed 24th Jan 2020).

    Less than a month after signing the agreement, and the UK government were already looking to get out of it. And yet the UK government and its supporters persist in blaming the EU on this. Probably because they know that fighting the EU wins votes, which is all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Brexit team seeks to evade Irish Sea checks on goods

    Article dated 23rd Feb 2020. Note: Brexit withdrawal agreement (signed 24th Jan 2020).

    Less than a month after signing the agreement, and the UK government were already looking to get out of it. And yet the UK government and its supporters persist in blaming the EU on this. Probably because they know that fighting the EU wins votes, which is all that matters.
    No doubt, both parties seemed to understand that the NIP would not achieve its stated aim of protecting the Belfast agreement.
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    UK police refuse to investigate 600k donation to Tory party. Barclays flagged it as suspicious, the New York Times investigated it and found it to have come from a Russian bank account (500 is the limit for a non-UK citizen, and that's 500, not 500k). The UK police says it's ok. And thus the Tories continue to take Russian money, and they'll continue to be elected on Russian money.

    Let's not forget, of course, that the Commons committee found that the authorities saw nothing wrong in the Leave campaign taking Russian money, because they'd been instructed to look away to allow for exactly that argument. The police and the Tory party are in cahoots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    No doubt, both parties seemed to understand that the NIP would not achieve its stated aim of protecting the Belfast agreement.
    It was something the UK government signed up to. At the time of that article, the UK PM, Boris Johnson, had signed the document not one month before, and he was already undermining it. Clarke and Howard, Europhile and Eurosceptic, think that this goes beyond the micro-argument that the UK government and its supporters would like to reduce it to. It's a matter of the UK keeping its agreements, rather than abandoning them unilaterally.

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