Trump likely to acknowledge Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel

[Greyblades]

Christ man, I was the first to defend Trump, when others considered his elementary vocabulary as a proof of stupidity.

I thought and still believe that it was just a clever way to appeal to the least educated, but your imagination has gone to the other extreme.

None will get upset over the Palestinians, apart from the Palestinians themselves, because none really cares about them. It's not a diplomatic move, but only a nice gesture towards Bibi.

The EU chorus is allready wetting itself over the possibility of renewed arabian war, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have issued warnings, turkey has called this a red line for muslims “plunging the region and the world into a fire with no end in sight” and you say to me noone will get upset?

You need to learn how to insult someone's intelligence without simultaniously showing you have no idea what you are talking about.

[rory_20_uk]

Perhaps it is as simple as "American First" - Trump just truly doesn't care if the whole region explodes since that'll mean he can export a lot more military hardware which will help balance the books. Since Fracking, the oil situation isn't such a concern.

[Fragony]

Maybe the hardline christians are a consern to him and his position, never listen to relitypes a question is never a question

[Beskar]

Trump simply doesn't care about the fallout. I think @rory_20_uk probably hit it closest on the head.

Trump is from the "There's No Such Thing as Bad Publicity" school of thought.

[Kralizec]

Well, it's something he promised in his campaign. So did Romney as I recall, but things didn't work out for him.

Did Bush junior ever promise the same thing? It seems like the thing that Republicans promise to their voters, but in practice would never do because of the shitstorm it would cause...and then there's Trump.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Maybe the hardline christians are a consern to him and his position, never listen to relitypes a question is never a question

Not really a concern, but the Evangelicals were supportive of Trump and acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital was one of his campaign promises. Many of our Evangelicals are decidedly pro-Israel. So not so much a "concern" as honoring a pledge.

It was, however, one of those pledges that most of us thought would be gently pushed aside once Trump was really aware of the 'facts on the ground.'

[Montmorency]

Not really a concern, but the Evangelicals were supportive of Trump and acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital was one of his campaign promises. Many of our Evangelicals are decidedly pro-Israel. So not so much a "concern" as honoring a pledge.

It was, however, one of those pledges that most of us thought would be gently pushed aside once Trump was really aware of the 'facts on the ground.'

Aren't most of them pro-Rapture?

[Fragony]

Not really a concern, but the Evangelicals were supportive of Trump and acknowledging Jerusalem as the capital was one of his campaign promises. Many of our Evangelicals are decidedly pro-Israel. So not so much a "concern" as honoring a pledge.

It was, however, one of those pledges that most of us thought would be gently pushed aside once Trump was really aware of the 'facts on the ground.'

I hope this gently fades away

[Crandar]

You need to learn how to insult someone's intelligence without simultaniously showing you have no idea what you are talking about.

How did I insult your intelligence? That's the second time you accuse me of insulting you and I have yet to receive a clarification. By the way, I urge you and Fragony to read more carefully what I wrote, especially the word really.

Caring for the Palestinians is great PR, because the Arab people feel (in a spiritual sense, not when time comes to share their living with Palestinian refugees) very attached to the Palestinians.

Hence the moral outrage, it just gives you free popularity points, but nobody is going to war for them. You confuse pretext with cause. I don't disagree with Frag, although he missed my point. Pallywood is irrelevant to all these extravagant hypothesis of yours, though, Greyblades.

Nobody important really cares about the Palestinians, suggesting that Jordan, SA or Turkey (even Iran) will declare war to Israel is as crazy as these doom and gloom predictions in my country about warlike Erdo.

[Kralizec]

Nobody important really cares about the Palestinians, suggesting that Jordan, SA or Turkey (even Iran) will declare war to Israel is as crazy as these doom and gloom predictions in my country about warlike Erdo.

I'm not really sure Jordan belongs in that list. AFAIK they're the only ones who bothered to give Palestinian refugees citizenship after Israel's creation. Not that they would go to war, but saying that they don't care...

[Fragony]

I'm not really sure Jordan belongs in that list. AFAIK they're the only ones who bothered to give Palestinian refugees citizenship after Israel's creation. Not that they would go to war, but saying that they don't care...

Where do you think the Palestinians come from? 'Palestina' IS a refugee camp, refugees from Jordan

[Kralizec]

Where do you think the Palestinians come from? 'Palestina' IS a refugee camp

I've heard people say that Palestinians are not a real nation and did not exist before 1948. I'm guessing a 3D printer?

[Fragony]

I've heard people say that Palestinians are not a real nation and did not exist before 1948. I'm guessing a 3D printer?

That's pretty much true, got any landmarks besides shackles for me, surily they must be there. Oh wait there aren't any, must be raised out collective memory, and all that remained is a refugee-camp

[lars573]

I've heard people say that Palestinians are not a real nation and did not exist before 1948. I'm guessing a 3D printer?

Which is bullshirt front to back. Palestine was created by the British in 1919. By officially reapplying the Roman name for the area. Although even the Turks used the Arab form of Palestine when refering the area, Falestin.

[Montmorency]

Which is bullshirt front to back. Palestine was created by the British in 1919. By officially reapplying the Roman name for the area. Although even the Turks used the Arab form of Palestine when refering the area, Falestin.

Well, it's correct in the same sense that (say) 200 years ago the Russian nation did not exist.

Modern nations are just that: modern. They weren't handed down by God at the beginning of... oooph.

[Kralizec]

Which is bullshirt front to back. Palestine was created by the British in 1919. By officially reapplying the Roman name for the area. Although even the Turks used the Arab form of Palestine when refering the area, Falestin.

Well, (trans)Jordan didn't exist as a sovereign state until 1946 either. And because that's where the Palestinians are from, according to some people, that means Palestinians are extremely profilic breaders! The land was empty of people before the Israeli settlers got there, you see.

The more conventional argument is that Palestinians were not "a people" in the sense that the Dutch or Canadians are, and that Palestine is just a geographic name. So, the occupants of the land don't deserve self-determination because that right assumes a collective identity.

I hasten to add that I don't begrudge Israel the right to exist, I just take offense at some of the more hardline, colonialist arguments used to support it.