What economic approach would actually work?

[Husar]

Long-term would be keeping diffrerence in income as small as possible, everybody would benefit from that. Problem is that top-down solutions never work, they have never had. A more intrusive government has never been a good idea, you simply can't give that overhead too much control without losing a lot. I like the libertarian take on things but there are no solutions

Aren't corporations organized top-down?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Aren't corporations organized top-down?

The large majority. However, there are some that have created their hierarchy more organically, developing greater structure as needed rather than imposing it from the outset. After time, it all morphs to top down bureaucracy.

[Fragony]

Aren't corporations organized top-down?

Up to them, I like being independant. I can choose not to work somewhere but I can't avoid the government and that is what leftist people want control of

[Husar]

Up to them, I like being independant. I can choose not to work somewhere but I can't avoid the government and that is what leftist people want control of

Try to produce cars or food for 7 billion people using only independents.

[rory_20_uk]

I'm an independent. But I freely admit that my sole role is to provide temporary assistance to bigger companies to do what they do. I do well out of it and they get to sort a temporary situation. But I have no strategy beyond helping the others.

[Husar]

I'm an independent. But I freely admit that my sole role is to provide temporary assistance to bigger companies to do what they do. I do well out of it and they get to sort a temporary situation. But I have no strategy beyond helping the others.

I'm not saying independents are bad or useless, you just can't advertise niche solutions as a solution for everyone.
That's like the old idea that everybody can be rich in capitalism. To that I can only say that everybody was once a millionaire in Italy, but they couldn't afford more houses than the average German or Englishman.

[Fragony]

Try to produce cars or food for 7 billion people using only independents.

That's not my trade Hus I sell arts and antiques.

[Montmorency]

Try to produce cars or food for 7 billion people using only independents.

Isn't this a good time to talk about Germany's Mittelstand vis-a-vis pre-Hartz IV (though still extant in some form) workers' councils and self/co-determination?