How is a two state solution Fair or Equitable to Palestine?

[spmetla]

The world waited too long and Palestine has lost. What needs to happen next is for the world community to figure out a path forward for relocation and stop dragging out this conflict.

Palestine never really was though, when was it a functioning State? Not after the 48 war, certainly not after the 67 and 73 wars and in the 90s it was returned into a warzone by the succession of intfadas.

The two (is East Jerusalem the 3rd because that's part of the West Bank) bit of land were never really created into a functioning state. After the '48 war they were essentially part of the neighboring arab countries (Gaza-Egypt, West Bank-Jordan). It was not really a state but more of a concept until the late 80s-90s when the peace talks started and the idea of an actual Palestinian state came about. The Palestinian people have more been used as a political football by the surrounding Arab states to keep the Israelis as their boogeyman when politically convenient which is why the various PLO camps in the middle east were never really resettled in the host nations and the inhabitants there never really returned to Palestine once it was seen as a State. These refugees are still waiting for Israeli to be wiped out or at the least the '48 or '67 borders restored before returning home.

It's probably be more fair to create West Bank Republic and either reincorporate Gaza into Egypt (with similar demilitarization guidelines as with Sinai for Egypt and Palestine) or create a Gaza city-state. Palestine itself is economically dependent on Israel for employment and the world at large for aid donations. The little economy it has is essentially ruined at least once a decade when war breaks out again with Israel for a few days to weeks.

The one state solution would be the most fair to Palestine (though would be unfair to Israel)in the long term because the demographics ensure that in a truly democratic government they'd rule Israel-Palestine. This would require abandoning the idea of a Jewish state born out of the aftermath of the Holocaust. In such a state though the power of the security forces, business class, and civil servants would essentially be all Israeli unless forced redistribution of political and economic power and civil service affirmative action as in South Africa are imposed.

[Suraknar]

Ahem, in my humble opinion...

This is avery complex issue (or so we have all been saying for many years of Political correctness)

the reality is that the Zionist movement got support form the world following the atrocities committed versus the Jewish people in WWII, and the world supported them to have their own new country.

Another way (Lets call this One state Scenario A) could have been to give them all Palestinian Citizenship as the new Palestinian State was being formed under British tutelage. This could have averted the ensuing War.

Following the 1948 events, the world should have acted to preserve the then borders for a Two State solution (two state scenario). It did not and the rest comes to today where there is really not much left for any functional State of Palestine.

In my opinion, the Two state Scenario is no longer possible, and of course the One state Scenario A has been nullified. So maybe there is the possibility of the One state scenario B, where Palestinians become Israel's citizens and all try to share their ancestral lands together in peace under one state flag etc.

The State could also be called "Israelstine", "Palisrael"...or adopt an ancestral name which would fatisfy both such as "The Republic of Canaan".

Whatever the case, the suffering of Palestinians needs to end. And the Healing process needs to begin. Otherwise Israel, I am afraid, no matter how much maneuvering it maybe doing to create friends in the region will never actually do because there is fundamental issues..which causes division rather than unity.

Yes, it is really complicated issue, in reality too..which the world has ignored...

Two peoples claiming the same land...in the United Nations and Declaration of Universal Human Rights World, CANNOT end with the eradication of one of the two...this path can only lead to further War...

In my humble opinion.

[lars573]

Not really possible. Since for every Arab Palestinian that became a refugee in '48. A Levantine or North African Jew ended up in Israel, after being run out of where ever they were. And Palestinians out number Jewish Israelis (who make up 74.7 % of Israel's population) if you count the 5 million refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebannon, and Saudi Arabia. The 1.8 million Arab Israelis* and the 4.5 million Palestinian population in the PNA territories.

Your one state B solution makes Jewish Israelis a minority in their homeland at a pen stroke. And you've replaced what we have now for second Lebannon. The person who could convince Jewish Israelis to go with this is either:
1. A dark wizard most powerful (possibly even a space wizard)
2. A literal god
3. A telepath stronger than Professor X or Jean Grey


*Who don't universally self identify as Palestinian to avoid Jewish discrimination.

[Hooahguy]

There will never be a one state solution like that has been proposed, where all Palestinians become Israeli citizens. Israel would never willingly put itself into a position where it would risk having people hostile to its existence in power. The entire idea behind Israel was to have a state where Jews were fully in control and not subject to how the local overlord is feeling about Jews that day. The number of Palestinians is relatively close to the number of Israelis. Giving them equal rights plus voting and all that would definitely put Israeli control into jeopardy. Especially if the Palestinians were granted right of return. Now consider how much bad blood there is between Israelis and Palestinians that will lead to a lot of violence. I just cannot see it working. Ever.

Two-state probably wont work either. It would require both sides to trust each other, which neither do. But it has more chance of working than the one state does. It would of course require a lot of concessions of both sides. Which by this point I dont think they would be willing to do now anyways.

There is no solution to this conflict. I just dont see it ever happening. I dont think the Palestinians will ever really get their act together to form effective resistance or act in a Nelson Mandela fashion (nonviolence). The Israelis have no real reason to end the conflict because the status quo isnt terrible for them. A few attacks here and there, but the Israeli security forces have gotten pretty darn good at stopping them.

Is this sustainable? No, but I think the Israelis will fight to keep the status quo for as long as they can. The Palestinians are going to keep doing what they do too. The image of armed resistance is good for morale.

This conflict will go on forever and ever until someone wipes out the other.

[lars573]

There will never be a one state solution like that has been proposed, where all Palestinians become Israeli citizens. Israel would never willingly put itself into a position where it would risk having people hostile to its existence in power. The entire idea behind Israel was to have a state where Jews were fully in control and not subject to how the local overlord is feeling about Jews that day. The number of Palestinians is relatively close to the number of Israelis. Giving them equal rights plus voting and all that would definitely put Israeli control into jeopardy. Especially if the Palestinians were granted right of return. Now consider how much bad blood there is between Israelis and Palestinians that will lead to a lot of violence. I just cannot see it working. Ever.

Two-state probably wont work either. It would require both sides to trust each other, which neither do. But it has more chance of working than the one state does. It would of course require a lot of concessions of both sides. Which by this point I dont think they would be willing to do now anyways.

There is no solution to this conflict. I just dont see it ever happening. I dont think the Palestinians will ever really get their act together to form effective resistance or act in a Nelson Mandela fashion (nonviolence). The Israelis have no real reason to end the conflict because the status quo isnt terrible for them. A few attacks here and there, but the Israeli security forces have gotten pretty darn good at stopping them.

Is this sustainable? No, but I think the Israelis will fight to keep the status quo for as long as they can. The Palestinians are going to keep doing what they do too. The image of armed resistance is good for morale.

This conflict will go on forever and ever until someone wipes out the other.

Realistically Genocide is the only solution. Which will happen once Israel doesn't have someone like the US propping them up and keeping everyone off their backs. The only real humane option is the no state for Palestinians solution. Where the Palestinian people agitate to be Egyptians, Jordanians, and Lebanese.