How is a two state solution Fair or Equitable to Palestine?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It's a problem from 70 years ago, not 2,000. Right around the time when the Uk's involvement was wrapping up...

I'd go back to the LoN mandates from 1919 and the Balfour Declaration myself. Though that only extends your 70 by no more than 3 decades.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ah yes. When the Jews were the terrorists. And when the UK was pressured to create the state of Israel. And then after that all the surrounding countries attacked.

You seee, the most pertinent bit you wrote was "wrapping up". As in ended. As in they had their own destiny. Independence if you like.

I have to admit I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. If I am reading the second sentence and last two sentences correctly, you do not think that the UK, US and France bears any responsibility for setting up the current situation?

I'd go back to the LoN mandates from 1919 and the Balfour Declaration myself. Though that only extends your 70 by no more than 3 decades.

Good point. Would further negate Rory's point that the Palestine situation of today is detached from the meddling of Great Powers in the region pre-1950.

[rory_20_uk]

I have to admit I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. If I am reading the second sentence and last two sentences correctly, you do not think that the UK, US and France bears any responsibility for setting up the current situation?

Good point. Would further negate Rory's point that the Palestine situation of today is detached from the meddling of Great Powers in the region pre-1950.

Most of Europe was redrawn in this time frame, involving levels of destruction that the Middle East has not seen. But of course the UK is completely responsible for the actions of everyone in the Middle East... Sorry, they are responsible for themselves.

I am amazed that the only things the UK has the power to influence is the world is in previous colonial territories.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Most of Europe was redrawn in this time frame, involving levels of destruction that the Middle East has not seen. But of course the UK is completely responsible for the actions of everyone in the Middle East... Sorry, they are responsible for themselves.

I am amazed that the only things the UK has the power to influence is the world is in previous colonial territories.

The Great Powers, notably England and France but not absent the influence of the Ottomans (who owned all of the Holy Land prior to 1915) or the USA (who helped set up the LoN (even though not joining), did lay some of the groundwork for the Arab Israeli wars through the specific borders drawn etc. prior to and just after WW2. After 1948, and certainly after the Suez crisis, it would be very hard to assert that England was a prime mover for events -- that was indeed the work of the locals themselves (though aided and abetted by the USA v USSR move countermove stuff of the Cold War). England had a good deal of influence on things prior to 1948, but very little thereafter.

[Pannonian]

I have to admit I don't understand the point you are trying to make here. If I am reading the second sentence and last two sentences correctly, you do not think that the UK, US and France bears any responsibility for setting up the current situation?

Good point. Would further negate Rory's point that the Palestine situation of today is detached from the meddling of Great Powers in the region pre-1950.

As rory's next post says, much of Europe underwent far worse destruction and suffering than the middle east has experienced since Balfour. Even the UK, the least affected of the combatant countries in WW2, had an enforced East London rebuilding programme courtesy of the Luftwaffe. When you agitate for independence, which the Palestinians did (Muslims and Jews alike), and you gain it, you take responsibility for what comes after. The Palestinians got what they demanded. For many of them, it turned out not to be what they really wanted, but that's not the fault of their previous masters. It's not like the British conducted a genocide on them prior to leaving. They wanted the British out of there so they wouldn't get in the way of fighting it out between themselves. They got what they demanded.