Hearthstone Mafia [Concluded]

[Kagemusha]

By the way. Where is Manasi? Were you not frustrated about how slow the game was and wanted activity, but disappeared yourself. Why?

Two of my scum reads flipped town.

Cya.

So because you were twice wrong it makes you right third time? Dont be lazy and instead make a case.

So far i see you copying what logic said earlier. Lazy, thus scummy.

Could you please share your analyze at the players, as i cant get pretty much anything from your posts?

[GeneralHankerchief]

I feel like this is... probably something that's said more towards a wolf than a villager? Like, it feels like Csargo was internally going "ok, time to talk about a consensus town, this shouldn't be too hard", and then thought he could get away with saying a fair amount of vague good-sounding things that are similar to what others have said, relying on the fact that people are mostly already agreeing as a way to get out of having to fake too much work. If Manasi was scum with csargo here, I'd expect either a. continuing the "I can't really read manasi" thing throughout the post rather than trying to construct a townread that might link them together, or b. having more specific reasons to give the townread rather than just going with the flow. To expand on the latter option, if I thought I was fairly secure and had an opportunity to talk about a scumbuddy who was doing well, I'd emphasise what has been getting them townread as hard as I can, in order to try and support them more and hopefully promote us as a towncore. Instead, there's this weird non-specific read.

This is interesting to me, because I consider Manasi to be one of the most likely partners so I'm definitely looking for people's takes on it (and it's why I specifically asked Csar about Manasi in the first place). That said, I'm not entirely certain I agree with your conclusion. Let's keep in mind that at the point when he answered:
a) Csargo thought he was safe/still pretty clear
b) his partner, assuming said partner was NOT Kage, was also probably safe

I would expect him to make something along the lines of this post. It seemed like smooth sailing on D2 for them, they would have gotten another mislynch, and then double LYLO would have been upon everyone on D3 where they could probably just push through one last mislynch and in the meantime clear each other. This reads to me like a little bit of a "nah she's probably fine, let's just move on" to me. Idk though.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Why did you track Csargo?

If he was the most clear player, wouldn't he be the most likely player to be visited?
To track someone seems to be more profitable by going after your scum reads, no?

Let's say Player A and Player B are mafia and one of them has to specifically carry out a kill. Player A is mostly clear, Player B isn't. Player A is probably safer to carry out the kill just in terms of there's less of a chance being tracked, roleblocked, jailed, etc. When I sent in my track I was basically always choosing between you, Csargo, and Manasi, as you three were pretty much the most clear after D1. I decided Csargo because he had even less shade on him than the other two and was the least likely to be interfered with. I also had the advantage of knowing more about the game setup than anyone else due to my role, and knew it was highly unlikely for there to be both a tracker and a roleblocker/jailkeeper in a game with 9 players. So that was another way in which Csargo's path would have been clear.

[Kagemusha]

This is interesting to me, because I consider Manasi to be one of the most likely partners so I'm definitely looking for people's takes on it (and it's why I specifically asked Csar about Manasi in the first place). That said, I'm not entirely certain I agree with your conclusion. Let's keep in mind that at the point when he answered:
a) Csargo thought he was safe/still pretty clear
b) his partner, assuming said partner was NOT Kage, was also probably safe

I would expect him to make something along the lines of this post. It seemed like smooth sailing on D2 for them, they would have gotten another mislynch, and then double LYLO would have been upon everyone on D3 where they could probably just push through one last mislynch and in the meantime clear each other. This reads to me like a little bit of a "nah she's probably fine, let's just move on" to me. Idk though.

Good thinking GH.When you come through, which i believe as i dont see you as bad scum player and this what you are doing is essentially suicide if Csargo comes out town. If that is indeed the case im looking at two people. Logic, whom Csargo seemed to act in concert day one and Manasi, who is either lazy or scum.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I still want to hear from GH regarding his selection of tracking Csargo. I also want to hear from Csargo who appear to have been stunned by this.

Also, look at Csargo's initial reaction. He's stunned, but sad stunned. He's not fighting it. He's posting Pam gifs and playfully bantering with me. He hasn't attempted to fight back. This isn't a reaction a townie makes when they've been accused like this.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good thinking GH.When you come through, which i believe as i dont see you as bad scum player and this what you are doing is essentially suicide if Csargo comes out town. If that is indeed the case im looking at two people. Logic, whom Csargo seemed to act in concert day one and Manasi, who is either lazy or scum.

My two likely partners are Dp and Manasi, I think Logic looks a little better and the way he's gone about the game seems townie. We need two clears beyond Sooh, so assuming you're one of them we need a second one to put the game on lock. Can you talk to me more about Logic?

[Kagemusha]

GH. Look at the day 1 Logic and compare to the rest of the game. Day 1 he is bantering with Csargo, easy stuff for mafia and also voting DP with Csargo which does not lead to a lynch. After that Logic´s game is solid. Doing Iso´s and being very analythical. Between Manasi and Logic, at this point i would go with Manasi, but there is a dent at Logic, which should be pursued.

[Manasi]

Sooh. If Csargo is scum. I was the first person to see that. I made the push towards Barto, but i was wrong. How can you accuse me of not wanting to make my own cases when that is the exact thing i have been doing the whole game. And that is the exact same thing i do every time i play these games. It is quite frustrating being called weird, intense and ..., but that i can understand, but not wanting to make my own cases. That is just blatantly wrong. Why i wanted to wait for you was because i did not want to turn this game more into direction it was going, aka people being lazy and not going through their own process.

This seems like exactly what you're doing in continuing to wait for Sooh lmao.

[Manasi]

This is interesting to me, because I consider Manasi to be one of the most likely partners so I'm definitely looking for people's takes on it (and it's why I specifically asked Csar about Manasi in the first place). That said, I'm not entirely certain I agree with your conclusion. Let's keep in mind that at the point when he answered:
a) Csargo thought he was safe/still pretty clear
b) his partner, assuming said partner was NOT Kage, was also probably safe

I would expect him to make something along the lines of this post. It seemed like smooth sailing on D2 for them, they would have gotten another mislynch, and then double LYLO would have been upon everyone on D3 where they could probably just push through one last mislynch and in the meantime clear each other. This reads to me like a little bit of a "nah she's probably fine, let's just move on" to me. Idk though.

Please go look back at the game where the three of us were scum together and compare.

This is a weird read for you to have, especially paired with coming to the conclusion that we're scum together.

[Kagemusha]

This seems like exactly what you're doing in continuing to wait for Sooh lmao.

And this is exactly what you have been doing the entire game. Evading and not answering anything. Please do elaboarete to my question before. I would really appreciate that.

[Manasi]

By the way. Where is Manasi? Were you not frustrated about how slow the game was and wanted activity, but disappeared yourself. Why?





Could you please share your analyze at the players, as i cant get pretty much anything from your posts?

Yeah give me a second. I've been really busy and tried posting last night on mobile but the site loaded horribly for me so I just went to sleep.

[Manasi]

And this is exactly what you have been doing the entire game. Evading and not answering anything. Please do elaboarete to my question before. I would really appreciate that.

I've absolutely been developing my own reads moreso than most people in the thread at this point, and if that's something you can't see then I'm not sure what to tell you. I haven't evaded anything besides the questions in posts I literally haven't read yet lmao

[Kagemusha]

I've absolutely been developing my own reads moreso than most people in the thread at this point, and if that's something you can't see then I'm not sure what to tell you. I haven't evaded anything besides the questions in posts I literally haven't read yet lmao

Then share those reads.

[Manasi]

So I'm put in this shitty spot where both myself and my town read are being pushed by the supposed tracker. If Csargo is scum, fine, that's fair. I didn't super lock clear him anyway. Reading both of our posts and concluding that we are potentially partners, though, is laughable. GH should know better than it. Again, it's fine since we're killing him today but I need you all to re-evaluate on me tomorrow.

Csargo's posting yesterday and last night would have been good enough to warrant a clear read from a lot of people tbh. Wifom alert, but I'm pretty sure if my scum partner gave me a reason to lock them away as town in my reads I would grab it and run.


Rest coming.

[Manasi]

I also don't think a low impact IC dies over a tracker that could get another wolf.

Just my 0.02 at a post that stuck out strangely.

[Manasi]

So then by the start of Day 3, both Csargo and GH will be dead and we can actually evaluate the game without him spewing that Kage's town and I'm mafia.

Good stuff.




Re: Dp, I could easily be getting bamboozled. I still think he's townier than Kage whose only real stance has been [probably] attempting to pocket GH. If GH even tried to verbalize why he thought Kage was town besides "Oh I just feel it really hard," I'd be a lot more inclined to listen or try to understand. From my perspective, though, I'm getting really pretty exclusively by two guys who are just back and forth town reading each other and could definitely be mafia together (barring the claim which is probably self resolving).

Tinfoil is partners bussing through claim but I think if they just continued on they'd have won just as easily.

Scratch that tinfoil.

Everything is fine.

[Manasi]

Logic is spewed town by every side of this game.

Nobody's wanted to push there.

/shrug

[Kagemusha]

Ok. Thank you very much Manasi for that insight. Im now going to leave the keyboard and go play some pool with friends and have a go at being day time drunken, while not being at bar for more then 6 months. If i post something even more strange tonight compared to my usual. Its booze talking. Im a happy man.

[GeneralHankerchief]

So then by the start of Day 3, both Csargo and GH will be dead and we can actually evaluate the game without him spewing that Kage's town and I'm mafia.

Good stuff.




Re: Dp, I could easily be getting bamboozled. I still think he's townier than Kage whose only real stance has been [probably] attempting to pocket GH. If GH even tried to verbalize why he thought Kage was town besides "Oh I just feel it really hard," I'd be a lot more inclined to listen or try to understand. From my perspective, though, I'm getting really pretty exclusively by two guys who are just back and forth town reading each other and could definitely be mafia together (barring the claim which is probably self resolving).

Tinfoil is partners bussing through claim but I think if they just continued on they'd have won just as easily.

Scratch that tinfoil.

Everything is fine.

I think Kage is spewed town at this point by everyone pushing him, tbh. It's why I've gone from "I'll lay off for a day to see if I can get a better read on him" on D1 to "I think he's probably town here" today. If there's a flaw in this then let me know because I could easily be overlooking someone.

At some point today I'll go over Logic in Chess and, more pertinently, Pizza's read on him in that game. It might not be until night phase, but I'll get it done.

[Manasi]

Kage I think at this point.

My PoE is something like this atm:

Csargo
Sooh
Logic
Manasi
Dp101/GH
Kage

Does Csargo put his partner Dp this low in the POE?

[Manasi]

Not everyone has pushed on Kage fwiw.

Csargo didn't really actually push at all. It's just been myself and Logic.

Half the game.

Math checks out.

[Sooh]

Personally I feel like this Manasi is miles away from scum-Manasi in that previous game.

[Sooh]

Csargo, what do you think?

[Dp101]

Personally I feel like this Manasi is miles away from scum-Manasi in that previous game.

Yeah, that’s the other thing. Even besides the potential post-flip associations, this has been the towniest Manasi I’ve seen in forever, and honestly the most interest I’ve ever seen her have in solving.

[Csargo]

Csargo, what do you think?

[Csargo]

Also, look at Csargo's initial reaction. He's stunned, but sad stunned. He's not fighting it. He's posting Pam gifs and playfully bantering with me. He hasn't attempted to fight back. This isn't a reaction a townie makes when they've been accused like this.

I'm more annoyed that anything else tbh. Like on a scale of 1-10 I'm a unhappy camper.

[Logic]

Posting from mobile; expect errors.

Someone talk to me pls I know it's not the best hour but idk what I'm doing.

I don't like this post.
Hyperbole follows: You might be rusty, but you absolutely know what you are doing. You don't get nominated to the mafia championship if you were clueless.

Yeah, that’s the other thing. Even besides the potential post-flip associations, this has been the towniest Manasi I’ve seen in forever, and honestly the most interest I’ve ever seen her have in solving.

I like this post, and it somewhat mitigates my comments on the previous post I quoted, but this could be SO trying to pocket what looks like a pretty clear townie.
There are enough people voting for csargo that I don't beleive I need to do so as well. But I am willing to go on the record and Vote: Dp101.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #297

3 Csargo (Dp101, GH, Kage)

1 Dp101 (Logic)

Not Voting: Csargo, Manasi, Sooh

[Logic]

Posting from mobile; expect errors.

I don't like this post.
Hyperbole follows: You might be rusty, but you absolutely know what you are doing. You don't get nominated to the mafia championship if you were clueless.



I like this post, and it somewhat mitigates my comments on the previous post I quoted, but this could be SO trying to pocket what looks like a pretty clear townie.
There are enough people voting for csargo that I don't beleive I need to do so as well. But I am willing to go on the record and Vote: Dp101.

Clarification to the bolded: I didn't want to sound snarky or condescending, so I added the "hyperbole follows." And as soon as I post it, I think it makes it sound more snarky and condescending. Apologies if that is how you read it. That is not my intent.

Dp, you are skilled, and that post I dislike does not seem like you. That is why I am calling it specifically out.

[Dp101]

Posting from mobile; expect errors.

I don't like this post.
Hyperbole follows: You might be rusty, but you absolutely know what you are doing. You don't get nominated to the mafia championship if you were clueless.



I like this post, and it somewhat mitigates my comments on the previous post I quoted, but this could be SO trying to pocket what looks like a pretty clear townie.
There are enough people voting for csargo that I don't beleive I need to do so as well. But I am willing to go on the record and Vote: Dp101.

I’m honestly shocked that you think I know what I’m doing. Maybe I haven’t brought it up here much, but my personal opinion of my towngame is that it’s complete garbage. Like, I have never had any amount of confidence in my town game, and if you think this seems not like me (and, especially, not like me enough to vote me over a track result then I just don’t understand you.