Hearthstone Mafia [Concluded]

[Dp101]

Dp, you might not be able to answer until after daystart, but what about this post did you like?

The Kage read, mostly. Felt like mafia would just make the read and move on, not talk about how odd it was.

[Dp101]

Think most people would be able to tell I’m incredibly far out of my mafia range right now. It could be as easy as Dp/Csargo or something but if Dp flips town I’m gonna fuckin’ go guns blazing at Kage.

Those posts weren’t shit don’t be mean :(

Agree fully, I have no idea what kage is doing, this feels completely different to past games, making me decently confident in him not being town.

[Dp101]

Not quoting because mobile, but I find it weird how in GH’s big wall on everyone my posts with actual analysis in them are ignored, and instead the only post that gets picked up is barely 2 sentences. Probably nothing, but, there’s a tiny part of me that feels like the possibility of GH fpsing and bussing is not out of the question.

[Zack]

End of Night 2


GeneralHankerchief was killed.

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He was mafia!

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Should the competitive community ban Nat Pagle?

What's sad is that back then, Blizzard nerfed a card that was going to nerf itself as time went on.





GeneralHankerchief, you are Nat Pagle.

The purpose of Nat Pagle is to gain a draw advantage over your opponent while acting as a wall. He is fairly hard to kill early game (turn 2) and, throughout the game, can give a large advantage to the player who controls him. If used well he can be buffed and will be a great resource all game long. This card also works exceptionally well after being stealthed in a rogue deck.

You are the Town Odd-Night Tracker.

On odd nights (Night 1, 3, 5, etc.), track another player to see whom they visit, if anyone.

You win when both of the mafia are eliminated.

Good luck, have fun, read the rules, PM me with any questions.

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Nerf History!

• Patch 1.0.0.4944 (2014-03-11): Now reads: At the start of your turn, you have a 50% chance to draw an extra card. Previously read: At the end of your turn, you have a 50% chance to draw a card.
• Patch 1.0.0.3388 (2013-06-22): Now has 4 Health, down from 5.^[2]

Living Players: 5
@Dp101
@Kagemusha
@Logic
@Manasi
@Sooh

It is now Day Three.

Voting ends in:

You can post now.

[Dp101]

Well, honestly not sure where to go from here. Logic is probably clear, I trust Manasi, sooh is IC so I guess Kage is all I have? Going to wait a bit for others to weigh in first, before I vote anyone.

[Logic]

GH is right to want to put more pressure on me. If I am mafia, I will crack. I think Chess was my only Org mafia game, but Pizza and GH were not wrong about my mafia tells. If you think I've gotten leagues better in the span of one game, I'm flattered, but I don't think anyone can change their performance level that much, that quickly.

Just don't spend all your time examining me. Statistically, you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the last mafia by guesswork alone.

I'll have more to add on Monday, but right now I feel like Dp is a touch worse than Kage, and Manasi feels very town to me.

[Manasi]

Not quoting because mobile, but I find it weird how in GH’s big wall on everyone my posts with actual analysis in them are ignored, and instead the only post that gets picked up is barely 2 sentences. Probably nothing, but, there’s a tiny part of me that feels like the possibility of GH fpsing and bussing is not out of the question.

Bussing?

He's a flipped villager dude.

[Manasi]

GH is right to want to put more pressure on me. If I am mafia, I will crack. I think Chess was my only Org mafia game, but Pizza and GH were not wrong about my mafia tells. If you think I've gotten leagues better in the span of one game, I'm flattered, but I don't think anyone can change their performance level that much, that quickly.

Just don't spend all your time examining me. Statistically, you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting the last mafia by guesswork alone.

I'll have more to add on Monday, but right now I feel like Dp is a touch worse than Kage, and Manasi feels very town to me.

Yep, that's basically where I am. Feel bad that the game is locked in my head but I'll try to keep an open mind and reevaluate.

[Dp101]

Bussing?

He's a flipped villager dude.

He was not flipped at the time of that post.

[Logic]

Sooh, what's your order of preference?

Assuming for a second that we get it wrong today, the remaining mafia has the best chance to kill you tonight, because then tomorrow it is LYLO with 3 people that are not cleared. That's not a position I want to be in tomorrow: I think I have a 0% town record at LYLO.

[Logic]

Day One, Final Tally

3 El Barto (Montmorency, Kagemusha, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Montmorency (Dp101/Snerk, Manasi)
2 Dp101 (Logic, Csargo)

1 Manasi (El Barto)

Not Voting: Sooh

Do not post!

d2 Final Tally

3 Csargo (Dp101, GH, Kage)

1 Dp101 (Logic)

Not Voting: Csargo, Manasi, Sooh

Vote: Kage

I don't see the remaining mafia NOT bussing in an outed scenario, which leads me to believe that Manasi is less likely than DP or Kage. EOD votes on D1 lead me to believe that the wagon was not all Town, and that leaves Kage. The reasoning isn't airtight, but GH came to this conclusion before me. He also shaded Dp quite a bit, so I am not confident on this, but I think Kage is the more likely mafia here.

[Manasi]

Vote: Kage

I don't see the remaining mafia NOT bussing in an outed scenario, which leads me to believe that Manasi is less likely than DP or Kage. EOD votes on D1 lead me to believe that the wagon was not all Town, and that leaves Kage. The reasoning isn't airtight, but GH came to this conclusion before me. He also shaded Dp quite a bit, so I am not confident on this, but I think Kage is the more likely mafia here.

Yeah the mafia had to bus. They're not in the two confirmed people off wagon and it's not in AFK me.

I don't think you'd end up on a random wagon when someone's outted as mafia either.

I think the POE of Kage/Dp is solid so you're fine in LYLO.

If you're mafia you've already won ecks dee.

[Manasi]

THAT BEING SAID, mafia probably hops onto the wagon after the claim as opposed to before the claim.

Right?

[Logic]

Logic, I'm willing to entertain the notion that Kage could be mafia, but not the one that I'm his partner for obvious reasons. Could you present a feasible alternative?

Csargo, you're given a gun with one shot. Who do you kill?

Kage I think at this point.

My PoE is something like this atm:

Csargo
Sooh
Logic
Manasi
Dp101/GH
Kage

This does not look good for Manasi or me. This is well before Csargo was outed, but even if I was mostly clear, I don't think I'd put my partner at the bottom or second from bottom of a suspicion list.

Responding to Manasi's query. I'm not convinced that Kage did a whole lot of legwork in the day-phase, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees. I saw one attempt to ferret out mafia that didn't work all that well, and Kage agrees that his plan didn't return any positive results.

During my ISO of Kage, I said the above, and Csargo followed with this:

I'd put [GH] higher than Dp101 purely because I can get a better read on [GH] going forward than I can Dp101.

I feel fairly good about Logic currently, because his most recent stuff is pretty inline with what I remember from other games. I had him way lower initially, but his current engagement/posts have been excellent imo.

Manasi feels good at this point.

I think I'm usually pretty good at reading you, but that's probably wrong. You going along with the Barto vote so easily sort of put me off a bit. Nothing you've done since has raised my read of you all that much.

Dp101 is sort of meh hard to gauge with so little coming out from him.

Kage's summary post was odd to me, but that seems to be par for the course for D1 lists. Thought the Barto push was weird, I clearly wasn't a fan.

Responding to Manasi's query. I'm not convinced that Kage did a whole lot of legwork in the day-phase, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees. I saw one attempt to ferret out mafia that didn't work all that well, and Kage agrees that his plan didn't return any positive results.

I think Logic's quote sums up my thoughts on Kage pretty well.

When there are only 2 wolves, is the best play to shade your partner, when only two other people have a strong read on him? This is making me second guess my Kage vote, and look at Manasi a little bit more. Sooh, Dp, your thoughts on this?

[Manasi]

This does not look good for Manasi or me. This is well before Csargo was outed, but even if I was mostly clear, I don't think I'd put my partner at the bottom or second from bottom of a suspicion list.
During my ISO of Kage, I said the above, and Csargo followed with this:

When there are only 2 wolves, is the best play to shade your partner, when only two other people have a strong read on him? This is making me second guess my Kage vote, and look at Manasi a little bit more. Sooh, Dp, your thoughts on this?

Don't go down this road.

I'm probably objectively the worst looking when it comes to interactions with Csargo, but you know as much as anyone on this game that this is probably the most engaged/involved I've been in a game on this site. I don't know if you think that would speak to my town equity or mafia equity, but I think it's something to be noted and used for a read as opposed to just my interactions with one of my friends while the thread was deceased.

[Logic]

Previous ISO here

Thank you for the ISO Logic. Like i said earlier if you are scum. You are playing extremely well. Your process seems very good, but conclusion is wrong. You build a case against me based on connection with GH, which you seem to be doubting very much in your Iso. So you seem to be arriving into wrong conclusion with genuine thought process, unlike Manasi who seems to be trying to use momentum in order to push who she wants to be lynched. I want to hear from the only confirmed townie aka Sooh before pushing what i have in mind.

He's not wrong about me possibly coming to the wrong conclusions; I do it all the time, and had Sooh and Monty on my scum shortlist. But here, if Kage is Village, he is looking only at Manasi.

Good job GH! So my hunch about Csarco was right while i was wrong about Barto. I still havent lost it.Vote:Csargo

If Csargo flips scum we definetely have sometihng to work with.

Reaction to GH's outing Csargo. This could be faked just as easily as be genuine. I'm calling this null.

Vote Csargo. GH has claimed to be some sort of tracker/ detective and painted Csargo scum. Its the absolutely best we have so far. If Csargo does not flip scum. We will lynch GH next.

Since the end of my previous ISO, this is the only time Kage mentions or talks to Dp. I think this is telling, and it looks scummy.

I am staunch believer of the KISS principle. If you have the most simple answer to a dilemma use it. Only if the solution is not working, find more complicated one. At this point lynching Csargo should be a no brainer. The mathematics are on the town side. No matter if GH was pulling a straight forward stupid stunt as a scum now and fake claiming a role. The town would still get a scum and afterwards the numbers would be at towns side.

Not entirely wrong, but not completely true either.
Hypothetical: If GH had been scum pulling a 1-for-1 trade, then we would have lynched a "clear" town!Csargo, nabbed scum!GH today with no real discussion to progress the game, and still be at lylo tomorrow. Maybe this is a derp!Kage, but I find this wolfish.

Good thinking GH.When you come through, which i believe as i dont see you as bad scum player and this what you are doing is essentially suicide if Csargo comes out town. If that is indeed the case im looking at two people. Logic, whom Csargo seemed to act in concert day one and Manasi, who is either lazy or scum.

Manasi bears more investigation, but off the top of my head, I don't read her game as lazy. Still not even glancing at Dp.

GH. Look at the day 1 Logic and compare to the rest of the game. Day 1 he is bantering with Csargo, easy stuff for mafia and also voting DP with Csargo which does not lead to a lynch. After that Logic´s game is solid. Doing Iso´s and being very analythical. Between Manasi and Logic, at this point i would go with Manasi, but there is a dent at Logic, which should be pursued.

Not entirely consistent: as of this ISO, he says I am doing really well if I am scum, but he switches gears a little bit on me. Still tunneling Manasi. But, is there a reason you aren't so much as looking at Dp?

And this is exactly what you have been doing the entire game. Evading and not answering anything. Please do elaboarete to my question before. I would really appreciate that.

More Shading/tunneling Manasi.

Then share those reads.

Manasi responds about GH pushing her and Csargo (her town read.) Not much to say about that without doing Manasi's complete ISO.

Ok. Thank you very much Manasi for that insight. Im now going to leave the keyboard and go play some pool with friends and have a go at being day time drunken, while not being at bar for more then 6 months. If i post something even more strange tonight compared to my usual. Its booze talking. Im a happy man.

So, Kage signs out for the night to attend to RL stuff. His next 3 are in quick succession.

Im hung over and not feeling too much for posting anything. But i say that both posts above this one of mine are **** posts. You cant discredit me both ways do it or dont. I found Csargo and i found you as well.

Sorry three posts above mine are **** posts and that is what they are.

Vote: Manasi

All the posts he is referring to belong to Manasi, and he ends with a vote at night. I am beginning to see what he was saying of Manasi, so her ISO is next on my list. DP, you get a reprieve for the moment; you've moved up a slot because I am now questioning my Manasi read.

If Kage is a villager, he is tunneling on Manasi, perhaps unfairly so. If Kage is Mafia, forcing a mislynch on Manasi today might be his best path to victory.

[Sooh]

Sooh, what's your order of preference?

Assuming for a second that we get it wrong today, the remaining mafia has the best chance to kill you tonight, because then tomorrow it is LYLO with 3 people that are not cleared. That's not a position I want to be in tomorrow: I think I have a 0% town record at LYLO.

I'd really like for this not to come down to me. That being said I've been a lazy bum all day and should probably look into things a bit more. 340 posts and 4 players to look into, so way less than that. I think I can come up with that wim. I'll get started.

[Sooh]

I don't really think this is scum!Manasi. She's nothing like how I remember her previous scum game. I also don't think Manasi would place her partner here in her reads list
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I think that we're kind of similar in terms of reads. I think that DP and Logic are probably my top towns.

Main difference is that I think all of the scum are in Sooh, yourself, Monty, and Kage.

Csargo is posting well, I agree, so I'd give him a town read for that.

I still haven't shook the tinfoil that wolves can just put it effort and be better than most of the town so I don't know how confident I'm gonna be going through the rest of the game at all, but that's where I am.

Why "clear" Kage for the lynch but push Barto who was obviously having more fun than like ~most of the thread?

I know you said you can probably figure his alignment out etc, but can't you also do that for Barto? I feel like his alignment isn't that hard to place.

I know she gave that piece of self-meta herself, but it just reads a bit strange to me. Why would she single him out like that?

I feel like she's been appealing to me quite a lot this game though (mainly because I haven't been posting and generally not helped anyone at all). I am not sure if scum Manasi does that after I nailed her to the wall in her last scum game here. I would think that scum!Manasi would be happy I wasn't in the thread tbh.

Then again I know you're a good player and probably very capable of fooling me, but I'm not willing to lynch you today, and I'm assuming that I'll die N3, so I'll leave that problem to somebody else.

[Sooh]

I gotta say, I am "thanking" Csargo more than I thought I would have. I'm going to guess it is based upon our having a similar sense of humor.

I find this and subsequent posts by the two of them very unlikely for mafia partners to make in the thread.

Very vague buckets:

Townish
Logic - Myself, naturally I am going to say I am town.
Manasi - seems townier than usual, and I usually suspect Manasi early and often.
Sooh - Feels natural; I can detect no hidden agenda.

Nullish
Csargo - Right now, I'm wearing blinders on him.
Kagemusha - "Bating" for reaction sounds good, but it's also I might do in a followup game if I were scum.

Scumish
El Barto - Slightly confused by the 848% earlier, but I'm assuming it was a typo not something sinister. His coded flavor-text may be what is pinging my scum-dar, but I can't identify why he feels less than genuine this early.
Monty - Seeing his last game has made me super wary of him, and he is in my "usual suspects" bucket until proven otherwise.
GeneralHankerchief - Too little content to base anything on. But I could see a "chaos³" GH this early.
Snerk/Dp101 - Snerk/Dp101 have given little to go on, but I can't find a real reason to vote elsewhere yet.

Null-reading a partner isn't unheard of though.

Wait; Innocent Child? That doesn't seem to fit with the Hearthstone theme at all. I'm not mechanically clearing Sooh just yet.

This is adorable and kind of derp clearing.

Not really feeling a Logic lynch today either. We'll see after I've read the two last.

[Sooh]

Snerk basically only voted jokes when he was around, so I'm going to discount that.

This is generally the impression I get from the thread overall btw. Honestly only people I feel confident townreading are Csargo and Manasi.

Could be a partner post I guess. He was responding to a Csargo post at the time though, so I'm unsure.

This post is odd and wolfy, imo. Once I recall voting format I might put one here.

Why was that Kage post odd and wolfy?

Welp, lolme. Ignore everything I just said in my last post. Vote: Csargo

If you lied about this, I'm coming for your head tomorrow.

With the level of reaction that was given to GH's suss post of Dp I'm not sure I buy him just trusting GH at face value here. I know I didn't.

The subsequent spew finding effort also seems to me at least to be a flailing attempt to find two more mislynches in a very small pool (myself and GH were already clear, so he sussed first Manasi and then Logic).

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Moar attempted spew-reading attempts, since I never do this and need to get better at it, and the play is imo clearer if GH is lying so I see more value in trying to catch the scum after Csargo:

The logic read feels somewhat like providing support to a scumbuddy who has improved dramatically and trying to push that point into people's heads. If logic was town here, I feel like scum!csargo would be focussing on lacklustre prior actions rather than trying to paint a picture of improvement.

Vague Manasi read is *noted*, but not sure exactly what it means.

Tries to discredit kage via logic, in a way that strikes me as honestly weird regardless of alignment. Leaving aside the part where it's honestly fairly wrong, I'm not sure what incentive there is as either alignment to make this push based off of logic's. This would make town!logic somewhat more likely, but it's also possible that this is a wolf-team coordinating somewhat clumsily to push a mislynch (although why they wouldn't go on me is a mystery to me).

I just added one of the posts I think is an example of flailing.

Well, honestly not sure where to go from here. Logic is probably clear, I trust Manasi, sooh is IC so I guess Kage is all I have? Going to wait a bit for others to weigh in first, before I vote anyone.

And this is where that whole read is ???

If Dp is scum here he knows he has to find two mislynches to win. He has one listed, though I guess the next logical (lol) thing to do is to go for the "probably clear" person next.

Idk, Dp, enlighten me perhaps?

[Logic]

This is adorable and kind of derp clearing.

Not really feeling a Logic lynch today either. We'll see after I've read the two last.

Logic is never cleared unless derp-cleared.

[Sooh]

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Ok. Lets see.

Barto, votes DP101 for no reason, DP101 is not in the game at least yet. Then votes: Manasi

Logic , votes El Barto for "joke" reasons, Then votes Snerk for "genetic" reasons.

Monty , votes No Lynch.

Sooh, votes Snerk for having too much fun.

Snerk, votes Monty for not being all business.

Csargo, votes Sooh for Zelda reasons.

Tally:
Snerk 2 votes
Manasi 1 votes
El Barto 1 votes
Monty 1 votes
Sooh 1 votes
No Lynch 1 votes

Conclusion. Completely and utterly nothing as of yet. Vote: GH. Because i want to hear from you. It has been far too long.

This post was weird, and I said so at the time. Generally speaking I think that people who try to jumpstart a game into serious mode often are wolves, just because they don't want to be accused later on in the game for not taking things seriously. Then again, that's a generic read which has nothing to do with Kage, and while I haven't played with him a lot I think he tends to be pushed for generic tells and be mislynched because of them quite a lot, so I'm going to file it under NAI.

Sorry Barto. Back to the drawing board. Logic, What are you basing that theory?

Hi Dp101! What do you base your confidence about Csargo and Manasi?

I like the specific digging of those two posts. They weren't "What are your reads and why?" (though he did have one of those as well), but indicated that he wanted to dig a bit deeper.

I dunno. I think I like Kage here.

[Sooh]

I think I am probably leaning towards a Dp lynch today if nothing changed.

If I'm wrong I still don't think it's Manasi, but Kage and Logic are sort of a toss-up for me after that.

[Sooh]

Still got more than 24h though, so I'm going to hold off on my vote for a bit and see if anything changes.

[Logic]

Manasi has got a lot to parse through, so she gets a truncated version of an ISO. He is Day and Night 1.

Manasi ISO

DAY 1

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First!!!!!! Wowowowowoww Manasi goat

Null

Damn this is a lot slower than I anticipated. Inclined to vote Monty but I just landed an hour ago and have like 9 hours of class starting soon (tm).

I’m gonna die today.

25 player posts and 18ish hours into the game, and this is Manasi's second post. I play on the Org becasue most games move slower than anything on MU, so I'm not sure what she is expecting at this point. I can't help but wonder why she is commenting on this at this point if she doesn't have time to do a cursory read.
[-] town points

I think Kage posting that random wall was like.

Bizarre.

It was a lot of recap that didn't come to anything which I don't blame given the lack of any content but it also seemed like a pretty weirdly misplaced cliffs post.

Kage's wall doesn't look that weird to me, as it looks like something I would do. But consensus seems to be that it is an odd thing to do, albeit within Kage's town meta.
[+] town points

Sooh whatcha thinking?

I think I have more reads now than I usually do in any game on MU lmao.

GH's one post is also pretty underwhelming.

This is rough.

Here she has more reads than MU, but still says this is rough in back to back posts.
[-] town points

This isn't a good post how dare you do this.

Responding to Monty with a joke. Null

In what world does that give you a read on him?

Vote: Montmorency

Back-to-back posts. Responding to GH changing his vote from Monty to Barto.

Barto lynched.


NIGHT 1

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POSTCOUNT READS NotLikeThis

GH wyd bro El Barto wasn't mafia there feelsgrossman

Why did you think Barto was scum?

If I say I want to kill GH he's gonna go postal.

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But I wanna kill GH.

Triple back-to-back. If it weren't for the fact that GH later claims tracker, I might call this telegraphing. I feel like Scum Manasi likes to gloat and drop clues.
[-] town points

Monty calling me lock town is

This looks like the gloating Scum!Manasi I mentioned.
[-] town points

Who do you think looks bad on his wagon then?

Responding to Csargo. Csargo shaded everyone on the wagon, claiming Monty looked worse than GH and Kage.

Even suggesting you'd take my read on Barto as anything seriously is kinda funny, you'd typically just brush it off.

I think that your scum read on him was baseless, think he was being more relevant than most people and there were infinitely scummier people.

Responds to GH's "postal" picture. This doesn't look much like a town response to me. This looks like "I was right about Barto, and you weren't."
[-] town points

You're asking a lot of questions and not making a lot of statements.

Can you change that for me?

So far from what I can tell you see myself/GH town and like, a bunch of random null reads as your scum?

I feel like there's enough in this thread to get to a point where you're past those level 1 reads that you had earlier yesterday.

Give me something.

Responding to Kage, who is talking about her and Csargo to Dp. Manasi makes a fair point about Kage asking a bunch of questions without saying much otherwise.
[+] town points

That probably suggests you're going to live to the next day phase lmao

Csargo mentions he doesn't feel confident about living, and this is Manasi's response.
[-] town points

Does GH try and control things when there's already a solid mislynch set up and a bunch of villagers not posting? Don't think he'd out himself/his scum meta if he doesn't have to.

Why do you think he's more towny?

What other reads do you have?

Replying to Sooh, about Scum!GH taking direct control of things. Her comment's read like she knows GH better than nsooh does, or at leasts understands Scum!GH's process better. But her follow-up questions don't look like town!Manasi probing; they looks like wolf!Manasi probing for weaknesses to exploit.
[-]town points.

Probably nothing because your question was pretty dumb.

Replying to Monty, who was responding to Csargo. I thought it was funny at first, but seeing the root is Scum!Csargo, this looks less normal. I'm not willing to give this comment a lean just yet.

DP can you do me a favor and read Kage's posts for me and tell me what you think? There isn't really a lot there so it should be easy.

Need more reads itt and less random stuff.

Funny coming from me, isn't it?

Replying to Dp. Not sure what she is getting to here.

See, this is the worst part.

In a thread with such little activity and posting and reads, all mafia really needs to do is post anything worth a shit and they're probably close to cleared.

(In writing this post I mean to say that I'm super townreading Logic but I don't know if I should be.)

If scum, this was a really good job of pocketing me. I should be more careful with these types of posts.

I was pretty hype for this game (still kinda am) and nobody else is. Every site is either full of thousands of posts or just 14 of mine.

Feelsbadman.

The end of 7 back-to-back posts. I get her frustration at the end, and if it were not Manasi, I would wonder if someone posting 7 times in quick succession was a sign of someone trying to steer the conversation.

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Is this the legwork you were referring to?

When I look at this it just comes across as summary and rhetorical questions that nobody ever answered. How is that actual work? Especially if you haven't yielded anything from it?

Is the only reason you voted on Barto because he didn't directly address you? That's what it's seeming.

You and GH both decided your lynch based on a POE.

You had the following:

Town: Manasi, Monty, GH

Mafia: Csargo, Logic

Which left a POE of Barto and Sooh (who has addressed you // you have made no effort to respond to)

Although she has a town read on you for "being intense" or whatever, that in no case would have much of a tell on her own alignment.

I just don't understand why you made the decision that you did when it seemed like Barto was at least interacting well with other people and someone like Sooh fluffed and posted ever so sporadically (no offense Sooh, think you're > rand town but I would have voted you over Barto if given the choice).

* In reading all of this I also wasn't able to figure out what you were trying to achieve.

HOW DO I CLEAR THIS FUCKIN MULTIQUOTE

I think that we're kind of similar in terms of reads. I think that DP and Logic are probably my top towns.

Main difference is that I think all of the scum are in Sooh, yourself, Monty, and Kage.

Csargo is posting well, I agree, so I'd give him a town read for that.

I still haven't shook the tinfoil that wolves can just put it effort and be better than most of the town so I don't know how confident I'm gonna be going through the rest of the game at all, but that's where I am.

Why "clear" Kage for the lynch but push Barto who was obviously having more fun than like ~most of the thread?

I know you said you can probably figure his alignment out etc, but can't you also do that for Barto? I feel like his alignment isn't that hard to place.

4 more back-to-back posts

If I don't die N1 I might go crazy if this thread tempo keeps up.

@mafia

This is something I swear I've seen Manasi do as Mafia. I don't recall this happening when she is town.
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Hi nice to meet you I'm Manasi.

Joke response to Kage's query about aggressiveness. Null

Hm, I just realized that I didn't put Dp in the post I wrote for Kage.

Whatever.

Sorry Dp.

Why would you? You are responding to Kage, not DP. How is DP concerned with a question that Kage asked of you?
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GH help him psychoanalyze me.

I love talking about myself but this is 2deep4me.

This doesn't seem like something a mafia would do. I read this as "tell them my secrets, GH."
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Meh. He's at least trying a little bit and relating to the frustration that I'm feeling I think.

I don't know how you can brush someone off after just one post.

Does not compuuuuuuute.

I misread this post initially. It's about GH "clearing" Monty based on the "no Lynch" vote Monty played. I like this; this seems like a townie reaction.
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EON1: Monty Killed. Sooh cleared.

So, based on her D1 & N1, I'm pulling Manasi from my "likely townie" list. I'll finish her ISO later tonight. For those that want to pick up where I left off, post #222 where she laughs and bolds Kage's name is her first post of D2.

[Zack]

1 Kagemusha (Logic)

Not Voting: @Dp101, @Manasi, @Sooh

Not Posting: @Kagemusha

Voting ends in:

[Manasi]

Manasi has got a lot to parse through, so she gets a truncated version of an ISO. He is Day and Night 1.

Manasi ISO

DAY 1

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25 player posts and 18ish hours into the game, and this is Manasi's second post. I play on the Org becasue most games move slower than anything on MU, so I'm not sure what she is expecting at this point. I can't help but wonder why she is commenting on this at this point if she doesn't have time to do a cursory read.
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Kage's wall doesn't look that weird to me, as it looks like something I would do. But consensus seems to be that it is an odd thing to do, albeit within Kage's town meta.
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Here she has more reads than MU, but still says this is rough in back to back posts.
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Responding to Monty with a joke. Null


Back-to-back posts. Responding to GH changing his vote from Monty to Barto.

Barto lynched.


NIGHT 1

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Triple back-to-back. If it weren't for the fact that GH later claims tracker, I might call this telegraphing. I feel like Scum Manasi likes to gloat and drop clues.
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This looks like the gloating Scum!Manasi I mentioned.
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Responding to Csargo. Csargo shaded everyone on the wagon, claiming Monty looked worse than GH and Kage.

Responds to GH's "postal" picture. This doesn't look much like a town response to me. This looks like "I was right about Barto, and you weren't."
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Responding to Kage, who is talking about her and Csargo to Dp. Manasi makes a fair point about Kage asking a bunch of questions without saying much otherwise.
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Csargo mentions he doesn't feel confident about living, and this is Manasi's response.
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Replying to Sooh, about Scum!GH taking direct control of things. Her comment's read like she knows GH better than nsooh does, or at leasts understands Scum!GH's process better. But her follow-up questions don't look like town!Manasi probing; they looks like wolf!Manasi probing for weaknesses to exploit.
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Replying to Monty, who was responding to Csargo. I thought it was funny at first, but seeing the root is Scum!Csargo, this looks less normal. I'm not willing to give this comment a lean just yet.

Replying to Dp. Not sure what she is getting to here.
If scum, this was a really good job of pocketing me. I should be more careful with these types of posts.

The end of 7 back-to-back posts. I get her frustration at the end, and if it were not Manasi, I would wonder if someone posting 7 times in quick succession was a sign of someone trying to steer the conversation.






4 more back-to-back posts

This is something I swear I've seen Manasi do as Mafia. I don't recall this happening when she is town.
[-] town points

Joke response to Kage's query about aggressiveness. Null

Why would you? You are responding to Kage, not DP. How is DP concerned with a question that Kage asked of you?
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This doesn't seem like something a mafia would do. I read this as "tell them my secrets, GH."
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I misread this post initially. It's about GH "clearing" Monty based on the "no Lynch" vote Monty played. I like this; this seems like a townie reaction.
[+] town points

EON1: Monty Killed. Sooh cleared.

So, based on her D1 & N1, I'm pulling Manasi from my "likely townie" list. I'll finish her ISO later tonight. For those that want to pick up where I left off, post #222 where she laughs and bolds Kage's name is her first post of D2.

For what it's worth I got my sites all messed up and that was my attempt at a vote until I saw the votecount and I cried.

[Manasi]

Also you need to make a decision because it seems like today's the day where everyone is locking in their POE.

And you don't seem to be getting to one. Scumreading three people when you have two lynches is nagl but I hope you figure it out in the next 21 hours.

[Logic]

Also you need to make a decision because it seems like today's the day where everyone is locking in their POE.

And you don't seem to be getting to one. Scumreading three people when you have two lynches is nagl but I hope you figure it out in the next 21 hours.

You're not wrong there, but I am going through my process. Can you say the same? Because it doesn't look that way to me.

[Dp101]

Snerk basically only voted jokes when he was around, so I'm going to discount that.



Could be a partner post I guess. He was responding to a Csargo post at the time though, so I'm unsure.



Why was that Kage post odd and wolfy?



With the level of reaction that was given to GH's suss post of Dp I'm not sure I buy him just trusting GH at face value here. I know I didn't.

The subsequent spew finding effort also seems to me at least to be a flailing attempt to find two more mislynches in a very small pool (myself and GH were already clear, so he sussed first Manasi and then Logic).

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I just added one of the posts I think is an example of flailing.



And this is where that whole read is ???

If Dp is scum here he knows he has to find two mislynches to win. He has one listed, though I guess the next logical (lol) thing to do is to go for the "probably clear" person next.

Idk, Dp, enlighten me perhaps?

The reason I found that earlier kage post wolfy was because of how it seemed like a complete, maybe-deliberate misinterpretation of how manasi was acting/feeling. It was clearly just frustration with software not working the way she expected it to, but Kage turned it around into manasi being aggressive generally, when she had displayed no such tendencies up to that point. I really feel like it was a stretch, enough so that it's suspicious.

I really don't get why you call my attempts at finding spew "flailing for mislynches". Like, you say that it's scummy, but what about it makes you think that I can't have been trying to do that analysis as town? Just my later uncertainty, which is present in literally every game that I've played?