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    Default Re: Why is There Death and Suffering if God is all Loving

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    The bible says God originally created a perfect world with no death, sin, disease or suffering. People did not kill each other and animals did not kill each other- man and animals were vegetarian.
    So animals sinned and stopped being vegetarian as well?


    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    In a fallen world bad things happen for no other reason than that we live in a fallen imperfect world. When people asked Jesus if the 13 builders in Jerusalem that died was because they sinned. Jesus said no, sometimes bad things happen to good people, the whole creation is under this. So the bible teaches a original perfect creation free of death and suffering as god created it. until sin and separation from him resulted from man's sin.
    So however good and righteous you might be you may still suffer because "sometimes bad things happen to good people"? What's the use of being good and righteous then?

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    If god was on earth in control he would judge us and punish us. Over and over read [exodus Leviticus] God says do not come near me for I am holy and separate from sin lest you die. He does not want to judge us but forgive us, but he is a fully just god who if is all loving perfect and hates sin than he must judge.
    So God doesn't want to judge, he wants to forgive, yet he judges?

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    proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness,
    -exodus 34 7
    I have a different information:

    Exodus 20:5
    "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

    Deuteronomy 4:23-24
    "For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God

    Deuteronomy 32:16
    "They made Him jealous with strange gods; With abominations they provoked Him to anger

    Joshua 24:19
    Then Joshua said to the people, "You will not be able to serve the LORD, for He is a holy God He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgression or your sins.


    Generally speaking, proving anything citing Bible is a bad idea for in it one can find such proof to a completely opposite idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post

    There is a solution to the problem of evil, just not an *immediate* one (an *immediate* solution would have killed Adam and Eve instantly, thus ending the human race, and all speculation about the problem of evil)
    -Shane Cessna Is it Gods Fault
    I like it. A person sinned. What should be the solution? A modern Christian would say: make him repent, or show him he was wrong, or scare him with a terrible prospect and thus make him stop sinning. What does "the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness" suggest (according to a Shane Cessna)? Kill him! I like it. What about forgiveness?

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    So, how could a loving God just sit back and allow all the death and suffering in this world? This question assumes that God hasn’t done anything.
    A wrong assumption. It rather assumes he has absolved himself of all responsibility and watches from on high with insouciant nonchalance. And sometimes lets "bad things happen to good people".

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    In fact, God has done a lot already to solve the problem of evil, and He has promised to do more in the future.
    Sounds too much like an election agenda.

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    Second, the death and suffering that goes on in this life is a powerful reminder that something is wrong with creation, and more than that, something is wrong with the human heart and our relationship to God.
    To kill a human to REMIND all others of something? That sure could have been done only by
    "the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love".

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    [I]“If God followed this type of “logic,” then we would live in a bizarre world. Should He temporarily suspend gravity when a person attempts to commit suicide by leaping from a high place, or must He prevent car crashes through any means necessary? Let’s take this a step further. Maybe He should prevent any harm to any person. Perhaps He should suspend gravity whenever a little girl is about to fall down so that she doesn’t scrape up her knee. Should He prevent us from eating food that may not be entirely healthy?
    So the world in which someone walks on water or turns water into win or resurrects a corpse is not bizarre? Isn't walking on water somehow inrefering with gravity?

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    I’m thankful that God doesn’t play by these rules.
    I would say he doesn't play by these rules. If he needs a miracle he will work it, logic or no logic, rules or no rules.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 04-09-2018 at 05:53.
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