Why is There Death and Suffering if God is all Loving

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Yup, no matter how good you think you are, you still live in this fallen world.

Why does he not make the fallen world unfallen? Isn't he all-powerful?

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Why does he not make the fallen world unfallen? Isn't he all-powerful?

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”
-Revelations 21 1-5


The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD
-Isiah 11 6-9

he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove his people’s disgrace
from all the earth.
The Lord has spoken.
-Isiah 25.8

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Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.”
-Revelations 21 1-5


The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the LORD
-Isiah 11 6-9

he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove his people’s disgrace
from all the earth.
The Lord has spoken.
-Isiah 25.8

Yes, but why wait >2000 years?

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Yes, but why wait >2000 years?

I ask the same thing. But the bible says god wants all to be saved and all to hear the gospel.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 [B]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
2 peter 3 8-9

He desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth"
-1Tim. 2.4

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16.15

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I ask the same thing. But the bible says god wants all to be saved and all to hear the gospel.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 [B]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
2 peter 3 8-9

He desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth"
-1Tim. 2.4

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16.15

But who are "all"? Is there some stash of unborn souls somehwere that he needs to deplete before he can bring about the end? What if we were to nuke the entire planet before that happens? Would he prevent that from happening? If so, would that be a way to irrefutably prove his existence, by trying to nuke all of humanity? Didn't Paul expect judgment day to come during his lifetime anyway?

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But who are "all"? Is there some stash of unborn souls somehwere that he needs to deplete before he can bring about the end? What if we were to nuke the entire planet before that happens? Would he prevent that from happening? If so, would that be a way to irrefutably prove his existence, by trying to nuke all of humanity? Didn't Paul expect judgment day to come during his lifetime anyway?

Great questions. I think the "all" is all those who will eventually come to Christ. So i hope, my yet to be born grandchildren and great grandchildren. If you look at the world i dont think it will be very many generations before Christianity becomes a small sect and a little minority. At least true Christianity. If someone nuked the whole world and killed everyone, yes that would disprove the bible as it says it ends in a very different way in the battle of Armageddon. It is divided on the issue if some of the apoltes thought jesus would return in their lifetime [they were not perfect and got allot wrong] i asked this same question here is a response i was given if your interested.



thank you for contacting Answers in Genesis. There is a division among theologians on whether this is the case or not. Some theologians believe that most of the Apostles expected Jesus to return in their lifetime, but many theologians believe that the Apostles believed in an imminent return of the Lord, but not necessarily an immediate return. The words of the Apostle Paul seem to verify this in 2 Thess. 2 (text below).

2 Thess. 2:1-5 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?

Peter seems to teach the same thing; imminence yet also the longsuffering of God, which may result in a delay for His return so that more will come to repentance.

2 Pet. 3:9-15 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you.

However, even if all the Apostles thought Jesus was going to return in their lifetime, that doesn't mean that they weren't mistaken in their humanity, yet Scripture is still vindicated. The Disciples often failed to grasp the importance of what Jesus said, or misconstrued it. But concerning when Jesus would return (and establish the kingdom), He Himself told them in Acts 1:7 And He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

Additionally Jesus specifically said that His return would be delayed in parable form; that is the whole emphasis in Matthew 25, that the bridegroom and master will delay His return, but when He does come, He will come unexpectedly and suddenly. So either way, the Apostles were teaching imminence and hoping for a soon return, but not necessarily an immediate one; or some of them were mistaken and didn't catch the thrust of Jesus' parables in Matt. 25. However the text of passages such as outlined above, plus 2 Tim. 3:1, 1 Pet. 1:5, 2 Pet. 3:3 and Jude 18 seems to indicate that even if the Disciples thought this way initially (Acts 1:7) they had through further revelation come to understand that Christ would delay his return until all his sheep were gathered (John 10:16) and the times of the Gentiles would be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).