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    Default Re: Why is There Death and Suffering if God is all Loving

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Yes. But not before the fall.
    I don't believe the notion of sin is applicable to anyone but humans. Other wise one will claim that trees, robots and oceans can sin.

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    The reason to be good is it is what god asks of us, out of love we try and obey him.
    And yet he gives no surety we will not suffer even if we love and obey him.


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    Generally speaking the context will clarify any text used to try and force any contradiction. Your first is to take out of its context and claim god unjustly punishes children for the sins of the fathers.
    I don't need a context to understand a phrase "jealous God". It is quite telling in itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Sins of the fathers punish the children?

    Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
    Deut. 24:16
    As I have remarked, Bible is full of contradictory statements, so trying to score a point by quoting it will be countered by another quote with a completely opposite sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Yes God gets angry and jealous. I said he was loving. His love causes anger and jealousy. Think of your wife [assuming you are married or girlfriend or what ever] and she leaves you, breaks her covenant with you where she swore to be faithful, and cheated on you with other men. Wouldn't your love cause you to be Jealous and angry?
    See above.

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    Gods jealousy is not the same as human jealousy

    I think you will see that his anger is not a human kind of anger
    Is is what humans assume.

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    a wrong assumption, it assumes he has not done anything about it, a very false assumption as my op showed.
    He interferes now and then, but most of the time he just watches unfolding of history to the bitter end.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    great point. However those miracles of jesus were to show him the son of god, not normative way of life. If it were normal noone would know what a miracle was. You need a standard way of laws to operate so the creator can show he is who he claims to be.
    If those miracles happened on a regular basis THIS would become a standard way of laws to operate. So people would be aware of omnipresent God ready to always lend a helping hand and stop mischief.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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