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    Default Re: Old Testament Death Penalty Laws to Harsh? and Similar Objections to the Bible

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post

    No to the first, yes to the second. He works from the situation people are in. So before the fall he made only two laws for man, have sex and eat , one negative, dont eat of a single tree. With noah and the survivors, another, with Moses and Israelite in the land of Canaan surrounded by Canaanites, another etc
    The bold is wrong. He told them to produce offspring.

    God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number;

    So he never mentioned eating, and having sex WITHOUT conception. Moreover, he never called it a law or commandment or by any other binding word.

    And as for liability to change laws, why, a time might come when adultory or theft will stop being a sin (a violation of god's law), like it is the case with homosexuality now. Or is it still a sin?

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    All the time murder is wrong, killing is sometimes. If we make that distinction, than the supposed contradiction disapers.
    You contradict yourself. Murder was never forbidden to Adam and Eve (as you have said, there were only two laws at that time, murder wasn't mentioned in either). So techinically, if Adam had murdered Eve - or vice versa - they wouldn't have done anything against God's will.

    Later murder WAS wrong. But, as you have noted, God is liable to overlook his treaties.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    As the same book [also see Ezekiel 18:20] Deuteronomy says

    Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin.
    Deut. 24:16
    So one and the same book of Bible contains two mutually exclusive quotes. That's what I have been saying on the consistancy of Bible as a source.

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    Chapters and verses are man made thousands of years later.
    Do you realize that this admission turns Bible from the ultimte authority bearing the word of God into a hearsay?

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    That is why the whole bible must be considered.
    Since it contains mutually excluding statements (see above) it is useless.

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    This is why i think Christians have so many denominations. They try and build theology from man made verses or chapters alone. Calvinism is a great example imo.
    The existence of denominations has many reasons (like political, economic, etc.) among which theological ones are among many but in no way dominant.


    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    Its a good question I will look it up from a study i did on hebrews and Jesus being the image of god. But from the greek/hebrew the word does not mean physical, or at least does not have to. But relationship. I did a quick google search on your question from christian sources
    So God created mankind in his own image,
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female he created them.


    This quote shows that god had at least two anthropomorphic images.

    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    God does appear in human form many times in the ot and nt of course as well.
    As a male or a female?
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 04-22-2018 at 10:08.
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    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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