Why is There Death and Suffering if God is all Loving

[total relism]

Not only the crusades. Inquisition, St. Bartholomew's Night, Mallēus Maleficārum and other iniquitous things done in the name of God. I doubt non-secular educational system will find those a righteous thing to have been done.

As for the crusades, one whose favorite book in the History of Crusades by Steve Runciman doesn't need any threads to try to sway him this way or that in that matter. The thing that impressed me most was that Arabs were most liberal to pilgrims (with singular exceptions when a religious fanatic ruled the Fatimids) and Outremer Christians were allowed to pray their Gods. Moreover, most of the latter were Orthodox, and they openly resented taking their temples by Latin church warriors. Eventually, local Christians ended up being much worse off when ruled by Christian monarchs of Outremer than they had been by the infidel. So the initial premise of Crusades as liberation movement was fallacious from the outset - and ended in a failure.

I will be doing a thread on the inquisitions in time. That evil has been done in the name of god i dont disagree. That evil being done from an evolutionary atheistic worldview is a giant compared to the evils done in the name of god i dont doubt either. But i would rather defend the bible than mans sinful actions or when Christians act unlike what the bible describes such as your mentioned St. Bartholomew's Night. I cannot help but add the atheist has no moral foundation or justification to call any action "evil", that only comes from a biblical worldview. I will be doing a thread on this as well. As for your understanding of the crusades and Muslim tolerance, I suggest we speak of that on the thread dedicated to that.

[Gilrandir]

That evil being done from an evolutionary atheistic worldview is a giant compared to the evils done in the name of god i dont doubt either.

It should be confirmed with figures. Otherwise it is an arbitrary statement. IMO, both sides have a nasty record.

I cannot help but add the atheist has no moral foundation or justification to call any action "evil", that only comes from a biblical worldview.

If an atheist lives a life that God would generally approve of, but doesn't go to church - he is a lower creature than a Christian who steals, cheats, abuses drugs, but once a week goes to church to confess?

[total relism]

It should be confirmed with figures. Otherwise it is an arbitrary statement. IMO, both sides have a nasty record.



If an atheist lives a life that God would generally approve of, but doesn't go to church - he is a lower creature than a Christian who steals, cheats, abuses drugs, but once a week goes to church to confess?

Agreed, i save those stats for a thread more relevant.


I will get into this on another thread in the future as it often needs to be exsplained in more time that i would care to give on this thread.

[Shaka_Khan]

I went to a Christian school for a year when I was a kid. That school avoided the Old Testament.

[Gilrandir]

I went to a Christian school for a year when I was a kid. That school avoided the Old Testament.

Then you couldn't have seen the whole picture. According to total relism.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Catholics are taught both testaments. We are also taught -- and yes I am simplifying here -- that the new covenant supersedes the old covenants. Thus the Old Testament is the necessary background and precursor for understanding the Gospels.

[Shaka_Khan]

I was considered as a troublesome student there, and the teacher wasn't fond of me. Part of the reason was that I talked about the world being older than some thousands of years, and that humans didn't come to existence until much much later in Earth's years.

I read the Old Testament at home, so I know what the OP is talking about.

[total relism]

I went to a Christian school for a year when I was a kid. That school avoided the Old Testament.

Sad but true. Gods word starts in genesis and the bible cannot be made sense of without it. They avoid it for reasons such as my op and other threads related.