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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    The EU has a tightrope to cross: to accomidating a departure would undermine the EU's necessity, too punishing and they would risk reminding the east of the warsaw pact.

    Of course with our current lack of leadership its probable any punishment might be indistinguishable from May's self destructive flailing.
    Polls across the EU indicate Clemenceau more than the Warsaw Pact. Nearly everyone wants to squeeze the UK until the pips squeak for this decision of ours. A moderate government might look at the margin and decide the mandate isn't there for radicalism. But the Leavers have interpreted the result to mean that the victor gets the spoils while the vanquished gets ground into the dirt. No matter how little the actions have in common with the promises of the Leave campaign.

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    Polls across the EU indicate Clemenceau more than the Warsaw Pact. Nearly everyone wants to squeeze the UK until the pips squeak for this decision of ours. A moderate government might look at the margin and decide the mandate isn't there for radicalism. But the Leavers have interpreted the result to mean that the victor gets the spoils while the vanquished gets ground into the dirt. No matter how little the actions have in common with the promises of the Leave campaign.
    Clemenceau is better than Lincoln. Lincoln saw to it that a secession attempt was punishable by force of arms.
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    I somehow doubt the desire to "squeeze the pips" of anyone who dares to leave is a one shared uniformly across the union, particularly not in the areas who still retain living memory of being in the previous intertantional group that was dangerous to leave.
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    I somehow doubt the desire to "squeeze the pips" of anyone who dares to leave is a one shared uniformly across the union, particularly not in the areas who still retain living memory of being in the previous intertantional group that was dangerous to leave.
    See Malta's demand to make it clear that we'll be worse off outside than inside. And Malta has been traditionally pro-UK. See also our attitude to Poles, and the Polish government's disapproval of said attitude. That's another traditionally pro-UK country. Ironically, the accession of eastern Europe was the UK's price during Thatcher's negotiations in return for allowing the single currency to go ahead. And now the influx of eastern Europeans due to the single market (another British idea) is the principal reason why people voted Leave.

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    See Malta's demand to make it clear that we'll be worse off outside than inside. And Malta has been traditionally pro-UK. See also our attitude to Poles, and the Polish government's disapproval of said attitude. That's another traditionally pro-UK country. Ironically, the accession of eastern Europe was the UK's price during Thatcher's negotiations in return for allowing the single currency to go ahead. And now the influx of eastern Europeans due to the single market (another British idea) is the principal reason why people voted Leave.
    The Poles are not so pro-EU now that the EU is meddling with their democracy, eastern Europe has seen it all before

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    Can't see the FT article - but the title is curious. Isolation of Macron?
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    The fate of Europe will be chosen by walking persistently finished the course of basic interests. Agreement building requires unique consideration instead of over-ardently defined, disruptive objectives. To my psyche, essential issues are of normal money, free stream of individuals with delicate fringes, the topic of displaced people, outside rivalry and radial developments in part states.

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    The fate of Europe will be chosen by walking persistently finished the course of basic interests. Agreement building requires unique consideration instead of over-ardently defined, disruptive objectives. To my psyche, essential issues are of normal money, free stream of individuals with delicate fringes, the topic of displaced people, outside rivalry and radial developments in part states.
    i'm not sure i understood much of that, my fault no doubt.
    may I ask you to expand on that please? :)
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    On the topic that we've been discussing, two rather insightful articles - one about the future, and one about the past. The past one is quite spectacular in fact.

    Weimar Lessons - https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...featured&a_ps=

    FA - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...an-save-europe
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    Scottish parliament voted against Brexit. And?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...allenge-to-may
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    I am curious.
    How will the EU juggle their treaty commitments to Iran and the (possible) re-imposition of sanctions by the US?

    https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...ump-over-iran/

    If the US does not exhibit some flexibility, this could get very ugly very quickly.
    I don't see this situation allowing anyone to look good
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