Quote Originally Posted by spmetla View Post
Each time the Russians, Turks, or any other country violate EU or NATO airspace or maritime boundaries it could be considered a failure. It's not an overrun in a hot war but it is showing the weaknesses of the nations in questions. That doesn't mean that EU countries are about to be bombed in anyway but generally a nation that can't police its borders and stop foreign military incursions opens itself up to that possibility. That's why the airspace defense zones and island building in the South China Sea are such a big deal.

EU warns Turkey after it violates Greek airspace 141 times in one day
https://www.euractiv.com/section/enl...es-in-one-day/
Sweden confirms submarine violation
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rine-violation
Cyprus protests to the UN Turkish violations of air and maritime space
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/02/24/c...aritime-space/
Isn't Turkey a NATO member just like Greece? We sell Turkey weapons, so if they're considered a threat to us, that's really kinda weird.

And regarding the defense failure definition, that's really quite funny:

Russian bombers penetrated U.S. airspace at least 16 times in past 10 days (from 2014)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-least-16-ti/

4% of GDP and still a complete failure?!