Future of the European Union

**Furunculus** · 01-18-2019, 23:31

i will. i will do it for you.

**edyzmedieval** · 02-04-2019, 00:27

One thing that will have a reverberating impact on the EU - the arrest of Carlos Ghosn.

Since Renault & Nissan were very well connected and the EU & Japan made a free trade zone, this will impact both the overall exports (plus & minus) but also things like Nissan not going to produce cars in the UK any more.

**Furunculus** · 02-04-2019, 08:57

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

but also things like Nissan not going to produce cars in the UK any more.

come again?

Of far more signaificance:

“The unanimity rule in taxation increasingly appears as politically anachronistic, legally problematic and economically counterproductive. I am fully aware of how sensitive an issue this is, but that cannot mean that the discussion is off limits. So let’s begin this debate today.”

The words of the EU discussing the end of the national veto on tax policy.

**edyzmedieval** · 02-04-2019, 12:30

I'm banking on the fact that UK won't leave EU - the cost is far too high, it's a total disaster so far.

Also, bit of a mistake on my part, Nissan won't produce a certain model any more - they are rethinking their operations.

Here -> https://www.theguardian.com/business...-in-sunderland

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...142818781.html

**Pannonian** · 02-04-2019, 13:07

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

I'm banking on the fact that UK won't leave EU - the cost is far too high, it's a total disaster so far.

Also, bit of a mistake on my part, Nissan won't produce a certain model any more - they are rethinking their operations.

Here -> https://www.theguardian.com/business...-in-sunderland

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...142818781.html

They won't immediately shut down all operations, as there is still physical and human infrastructure here for existing models. . What they will do is what they've done: move production of new models to elsewhere. As existing models come to the end of their life, there won't be any replacements, as all the new infrastructure has been set up in places where they won't suffer from the UK's post-Brexit situation. May had a meeting with Nissan execs shortly after she took power, assuring them that the UK would be a good place to continue business in. They've obviously weighed her words against her actions, and found her words to be worthless.

**Pannonian** · 02-05-2019, 12:52

Gammon says the UK is at war with the EU.

**rory_20_uk** · 02-05-2019, 13:35

Originally Posted by Pannonian

They won't immediately shut down all operations, as there is still physical and human infrastructure here for existing models. . What they will do is what they've done: move production of new models to elsewhere. As existing models come to the end of their life, there won't be any replacements, as all the new infrastructure has been set up in places where they won't suffer from the UK's post-Brexit situation. May had a meeting with Nissan execs shortly after she took power, assuring them that the UK would be a good place to continue business in. They've obviously weighed her words against her actions, and found her words to be worthless.

Or perhaps it has something to do with the massive drop in Diesel sales in Europe due to the scandal in Germany due to extremely lax QC. Or perhaps the new free trade agreement with the UK - this means they will get tariff-free on cars even if they're made in Japan (one of the inevitable casualties of free trade agreements which are better overall but do create some loosers).

But no. Nissan doesn't like May and therefore is moving. If they'd liked the PM they'd be building a whole new town here since personal relationships really matter that much...

**Pannonian** · 02-05-2019, 14:44

Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Or perhaps it has something to do with the massive drop in Diesel sales in Europe due to the scandal in Germany due to extremely lax QC. Or perhaps the new free trade agreement with the UK - this means they will get tariff-free on cars even if they're made in Japan (one of the inevitable casualties of free trade agreements which are better overall but do create some loosers).

But no. Nissan doesn't like May and therefore is moving. If they'd liked the PM they'd be building a whole new town here since personal relationships really matter that much...

What new free trade agreement with the UK are you talking about? Have you been smoking Liam Fox's stash again? The new free trade agreement Japan recently signed that we benefit from was with the EU, which we are currently a member of. We will stop benefiting from that agreement on 1st April, courtesy of your vote.

Brexit: Government didn't offer Nissan money to stay in UK (20th January 2017)
Nissan was offered secret state aid to cope with Brexit, minister concedes (4th February 2019)

Lies and deception - that's the Brexit way.

**rory_20_uk** · 02-05-2019, 14:50

Originally Posted by Pannonian

What new free trade agreement with the UK are you talking about? Have you been smoking Liam Fox's stash again? The new free trade agreement Japan recently signed that we benefit from was with the EU, which we are currently a member of. We will stop benefiting from that agreement on 1st April, courtesy of your vote.

Brexit: Government didn't offer Nissan money to stay in UK (20th January 2017)
Nissan was offered secret state aid to cope with Brexit, minister concedes (4th February 2019)

Lies and deception - that's the Brexit way.

Politicians lying??!? Say it ain't so! Something that only done by the Brexiteers, eh?

Apologies, the EU, not the UK.

My mistake aside... you appear to ignore both the decrease of diesel and that the agreement reduces tarrifs... so Nissan might as well build them in Japan. So this is in fact due to the EU/Japan agreement.