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    Default Welcome to the Republic of North Macedonia

    They finally reached a compromise!

    "After 27 years of talks - and many protests - they have settled on the name Republic of North Macedonia, or Severna Makedonija in Macedonian."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44401643
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    I have been waiting for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    It took a minute for me, at least.


    Here's a direct link to the official video for people who don't want to deal with Vimeo: Macedonian Cafe


    If Macedonians want to use that name for the same reasons Greeks don't want them to use it...

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    The member of staff responsible for the post "had been reprimanded and marched back over the Tamar" to neighbouring county Devon, the Trust said.
    If only PVC were here.
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    Man, the butthurt is going to be immense on both radical sides. Our local extremists have organised a rally for the 8th of July.
    It's not going to be as massive as the previous ones I suspect, but still, my kitsch expectations are very high.

    Let's hope for the best, I want generals praising the dictatorship and priests excommunicating the government.

    Personally, I am moderately optimist, at least until the deal is confirmed and ratified. I don't know for Northern Macedonia, but our weak government has a great reputation of backtracking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Personally, I am moderately optimist, at least until the deal is confirmed and ratified. I don't know for Northern Macedonia, but our weak government has a great reputation of backtracking.
    AFAIK there should be a referendum in (Northern) Macedonia on the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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    *facepalm*


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    Let's not be dramatic. As Guardian clarifies he cannot stop it. The procedure is simple:
    1. The Parliament votes for the agreement.
    2. If the vote is positive, then it is asked from the president to sign it.
    3. If the president refuses, then the parliament votes again.
    4. If the second vote is also positive, then the deal has been ratified, regardless of the president's wishes.

    His refusal complicates the issue a bit, but it hasn't condemned the agreement.

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    Would be a shame if it doesn work out. I can understand why the Greeks aren't very happy with what is basicly a falsification of their history. Calling it Northern-Macedonia isn't even that far off everybody should be happy really

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    There's no falsification of history involved. The agreement explicitly states that modern and ancient Macedonians are different people, condemns the Antiquization campaign of Gruevsky and describes the Macedonian language as Slavic. Even if there was, getting triggered over conflicting nationalist narratives is oversensitive, in my honest opinion.

    Sincerely, it's much better than what I expected and I consider the two parties in power as jokes.

    If some Athenians that used to call us Bulgarian savages and a couple of Northerners of actually Pontic descent, whose ancestors basically spoke Turkic instead of Greek, are feel salty, that's their own little problem. Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy their delicious tears.

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    I can understand how it can be seen as such. I am not going to disregard the sentiments and just call it petty nationalism as some do (not talking about you guys)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    I can understand how it can be seen as such. I am not going to disregard the sentiments and just call it petty nationalism as some do (not talking about you guys)
    I wouldn't call that "petty":
    https://news.sky.com/story/protests-...r-row-11407740
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    Our riot police is notoriously brutal. They beat down journalists and gas pensioners. Usually the far right tabloids applaud the use of violence against communist troublemakers, but yesterday they didn't seem to enjoy the police's brave efforts to impose serenity. Ironic, isn't it?

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    Crandar, are you in/from FYROM? I thought you were Greek for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    I thought you were Greek for some reason.
    So did I.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Crandar, are you in/from FYROM? I thought you were Greek for some reason.
    I am, why did you think otherwise? The comment about "Bulgarian savages" was a reference to the attitude of certain Southern Greeks towards their Northern compatriots (I am a Northerner). It demonstrates their hypocrisy. These are the riots I described above.

    http://www.ekathimerini.com/229750/a...espes-ceremony
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    I understand now. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    I am, why did you think otherwise? The comment about "Bulgarian savages" was a reference to the attitude of certain Southern Greeks towards their Northern compatriots (I am a Northerner).
    Where does the border between the North and the South lie, if I may ask?
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    Each one has his own criteria, but for me it's Mount Olympus. South of it, there is nothing but dark-skinned barbarians that don't even know how to use the word souvlaki correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crandar View Post
    Each one has his own criteria, but for me it's Mount Olympus. South of it, there is nothing but dark-skinned barbarians that don't even know how to use the word souvlaki correctly.


    I know you meant it in jest here Crandar, but I cannot help but feel saddened that after 5 millennia of 'civilization' we still group people based on something as irrelevant as skin tone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post


    I know you meant it in jest here Crandar, but I cannot help but feel saddened that after 5 millennia of 'civilization' we still group people based on something as irrelevant as skin tone.
    B-but muh souvlaki!
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