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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Has she priced / got a plan for implementing any of these initiatives? Doing any of these things would be tough. Doing them all either makes her a Polymath or a Populist.

    If she was in Texas / Wyoming / Alabama I'd say major change is coming. In New York this might just galvanise any that were wavering on Trump and his cut outs to see that they are the bastion to prevent Communism in the USA.

    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    I didn't say it wasn't possible. Has she outlined a plan to do so? I take that this means "no".

    Every time such a plan is voiced I always hear it'll be paid for by "closing tax loopholes"... and everything will magically work. Given that a progressive country such as Germany hasn't done this and pilots in the nordics "failed" (whatever that means) and Switzerland voted against it, the concept has hardly won hearts and minds. So in an extremely individualistic, small state country do you really think this will work?

    The USA has a massive and increasing deficit. So to do this would require a VAST structural change to the very fabric of the USA since there's no "spare" money, it'd all have to be expropriated. And a majority of voters would have to utterly change their outlook on life.

    But yeah. It's a fraction of GDP so dead easy...

    None of these policies are viable in the legislature at the moment, so it would be perverse to ask her to come up with plans for the biggest reforms in American history all on her own.

    As these ideas reach critical mass in the Democratic Party through rhetoric and representation, they can employ their internal resources, as well as the government's through legislation, to develop them concretely.

    The hard part isn't paying for it, the hard part is the enormously complex legislation it would require, and the very hardest part is as you say. accepting as a general commitment by society and state a new social contract on the basis of such floors and minimum standards. Once you have the commitment, it's just a matter of time.


    I haven't heard that any experiments in the Nordics failed, but I do recall hearing that Nordic welfare states have historically sustained themselves not by (merely) taxing the rich, but the broad base of the middle class - heavily. But hat's part of their contract, or was in the 20th c: more taxes for more services.
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