Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

[Pannonian]

well of course they should all be studied and tested.

Has the Abrahamic model of creation been tested? What was the test, and what were the results? Have they been replicated by other scientists around the world?

[total relism]

Has the Abrahamic model of creation been tested? What was the test, and what were the results? Have they been replicated by other scientists around the world?

see op for various ways it has been tested. I give post numbers for various topics.

[Elmetiacos]

In the end then, your "argument" boils down to "IT'S MAGIC".

[Seamus Fermanagh]

In the end then, your "argument" boils down to "IT'S MAGIC".

Nature of argumentation. ALL arguments boil down to their 'givens.' If you don't accept those, you won't consider the argument valid no matter how well supported.

[total relism]

In the end then, your "argument" boils down to "IT'S MAGIC".

Yeah I have tried to get the evolutionist to support their position but really they must resort to magic and miracles. Ask for evidence and it is always hid millions of years in the past.

“time is in fact the hero of the plot...given so much time the impossible becomes possible, the possible probable and the probable virtually certain. One has only to wait time itself performs mircels”
-George Wald “the origins of life” physics and chemistry of life

[Pannonian]

Yeah I have tried to get the evolutionist to support their position but really they must resort to magic and miracles. Ask for evidence and it is always hid millions of years in the past.

Penicillin was introduced for mass use in time for the invasion of France in June 1944. Lots of diseases are now not treatable by that strain of penicillin.

see op for various ways it has been tested. I give post numbers for various topics.

Can you give one clear example as I've done above?

[total relism]

Penicillin was introduced for mass use in time for the invasion of France in June 1944. Lots of diseases are now not treatable by that strain of penicillin.



Can you give one clear example as I've done above?

How is this a test of evolution? if you read my post 23

Bacteria Resistance


Often bacteria resistance is claimed to be evolution in action and proof of Darwinian evolution. Anyone who has watched debates knows this if claimed is refuted every time. When bacteria become resistant to antibiotics it is never by a increase in information it is by a loss, the opposite of what is needed by evolution. Below is an example of a textbooks claim it is “direct evidence for evolution”




But we view it critically, we notice this is simply a change in gene frequency in the genetic pool, this is nothing but natural section. All the information and variety in the bacteria population was there before the antibiotics was applied to he population. The surviving bacteria had the resistance already in the population and survived. It would be like killing all the students in a classroom over 6 feet. The survivors are know all less than 6 feet tall. This is a change in population but nothing new was created and it does nothing to exspalin the origin of the bacteria,or people in this analogy. Lets see one other example.



H. pylori normally produces an enzyme that will combine with the antibiotic that causes a reaction to kill the bacteria. Some of the bacteria have a mutation that is a loss of information so that the mutant no longer produces the enzyme that is targeted by the antibiotic so it survives. This mutant strain has reduced genetic information that enables it to survive. This process says nothing to the origin of the gene that creates the enzyme or the origin of the bacteria itself. An analogy would be a hunter in the woods who is caught in a trap who than to save himself cuts off his leg so he can escape. While other bacteria gain their resistance is similar ways, they all involve a loss of information or the resistance was always in the population.

See chart for the various ways bacteria achieve resistance
https://creationresearch.org/bact_resist/

This his whole field of study was started by creationist such as Alexander Fleming, Ernst Chain and Howard Florey it was never seen as evidence of evolution until evolutionist gained political control of education and use it as a claim of evolution. Here is a technical peer reviewed article that gives the known ways of what causes bacteria resistance
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq...act_resist.htm


bacteria resistant genes to antibodies were found before the antibodies by 30,000 years to penicillin

"conclusive proof these genes predate medical antibiotics"
-ancient resistance to antibiotics found new scientist 211 [2828] 13 sep 2011




I chose not to give such a poor examples for creation, but I do give some predictions see post post 40.

[Pannonian]

How is this a test of evolution? if you read my post 23

Bacteria Resistance


Often bacteria resistance is claimed to be evolution in action and proof of Darwinian evolution. Anyone who has watched debates knows this if claimed is refuted every time. When bacteria become resistant to antibiotics it is never by a increase in information it is by a loss, the opposite of what is needed by evolution. Below is an example of a textbooks claim it is “direct evidence for evolution”

But we view it critically, we notice this is simply a change in gene frequency in the genetic pool, this is nothing but natural section. All the information and variety in the bacteria population was there before the antibiotics was applied to he population. The surviving bacteria had the resistance already in the population and survived. It would be like killing all the students in a classroom over 6 feet. The survivors are know all less than 6 feet tall. This is a change in population but nothing new was created and it does nothing to exspalin the origin of the bacteria,or people in this analogy. Lets see one other example.

H. pylori normally produces an enzyme that will combine with the antibiotic that causes a reaction to kill the bacteria. Some of the bacteria have a mutation that is a loss of information so that the mutant no longer produces the enzyme that is targeted by the antibiotic so it survives. This mutant strain has reduced genetic information that enables it to survive. This process says nothing to the origin of the gene that creates the enzyme or the origin of the bacteria itself. An analogy would be a hunter in the woods who is caught in a trap who than to save himself cuts off his leg so he can escape. While other bacteria gain their resistance is similar ways, they all involve a loss of information or the resistance was always in the population.

See chart for the various ways bacteria achieve resistance
https://creationresearch.org/bact_resist/

This his whole field of study was started by creationist such as Alexander Fleming, Ernst Chain and Howard Florey it was never seen as evidence of evolution until evolutionist gained political control of education and use it as a claim of evolution. Here is a technical peer reviewed article that gives the known ways of what causes bacteria resistance
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq...act_resist.htm


bacteria resistant genes to antibodies were found before the antibodies by 30,000 years to penicillin

"conclusive proof these genes predate medical antibiotics"
-ancient resistance to antibiotics found new scientist 211 [2828] 13 sep 2011

I chose not to give such a poor examples for creation, but I do give some predictions see post post 40.

You wot? You lost me at the beginning with the talk of gains and losses, then my brain was comprehensively scrambled with your hunter in a trap analogy, then my jaw dropped beyond retrieval when you posted those proof links from creationresearch.org. I audibly gasped in disbelief when you stated that antibody-resistant genes were found 30k years prior to penicillin, as "conclusive proof". The point is so far missed that I can't believe anyone could post the above with any sincerity, yet you evidently have.

[Gilrandir]

species have developed at various times through history.

So dinosaurs and mammoths have succeded in developing and getting extinct in 7000 years?
And why 7000 years? According to the Jewish calendar it is under 5800. Do you mean the universe is that old?

bacteria resistant genes to antibodies were [B]found before the antibodies by 30,000 years to penicillin

I'm afraid you can't operate any dates which go beyond the 5800.

[Elmetiacos]

How is this a test of evolution? if you read my post 23

Bacteria Resistance


Often bacteria resistance is claimed to be evolution in action and proof of Darwinian evolution. Anyone who has watched debates knows this if claimed is refuted every time. When bacteria become resistant to antibiotics it is never by a increase in information it is by a loss, the opposite of what is needed by evolution. Below is an example of a textbooks claim it is “direct evidence for evolution” formation that enables it to survive. This process says nothing to the origin of the gene that creates the enzyme or the origin of the bacteria itself. An analogy would be a hunter in the woods who is caught in a trap who than to save himself cuts off his leg so he can escape. While other bacteria gain their resistance is similar ways, they all involve a loss of information or the resistance was always in the population.

Gngngngng! Evolution is not about transmission of information! Why are you obsessed with this false concept?

This his whole field of study was started by creationist such as Alexander Fleming, Ernst Chain and Howard Florey it was never seen as evidence of evolution...

In the first place, no it wasn't and in the second place, so what? That's like saying you can't believe the square on the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the square on the other two sides without also believing the souls of the dead can inhabit beans.