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    Which total war game has a better AI and gameplay? I bought Shogun 1&2 and Medieval 1&2 in a sale. For now I just played Medieval 1. I am not satisfy with the AI performance in managing their countries. I mostly fight against peasant while I am using Feudal Knight and Sergeant. Easy win in medium difficulty when the battle is auto-resolved. Needles to say that I am having difficultly to win the battle myself. Is the AI good on controlling battle? I think that is in my part who fail to control any battle well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoKus View Post
    Which total war game has a better AI and gameplay? I bought Shogun 1&2 and Medieval 1&2 in a sale. For now I just played Medieval 1. I am not satisfy with the AI performance in managing their countries. I mostly fight against peasant while I am using Feudal Knight and Sergeant. Easy win in medium difficulty when the battle is auto-resolved. Needles to say that I am having difficultly to win the battle myself. Is the AI good on controlling battle? I think that is in my part who fail to control any battle well.
    STW 1 has better AI than MTW 1 because it builds fewer bad units. However, in MTW 1 you can hand over management of your building and unit choices to the AI (I forget how) and then you have to use bad units just as often as your enemies do. I never played MTW 2 and STW 2.
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    I haven't played any TW games past Shogun II, but up to that point....Shogun I had the best AI, IMO. On Expert setting, it can, and will, kick your a$$ if you make mistakes

    The AI strives to create mismatches: swords over spears, spears over cavalry, etc, so if you don't have balanced armies, the AI adapts and you begin to lose battles.

    The primary (though not the only) reason the AI was better in Shogun I/Med I was because the map was 2-D (making pathfinding easier), the economy was far simpler than when the game engine was changed in RTW I, and there were far less units to deal with.

    Not saying that later games weren't challenging and fun to play, but the original game engine allowed for a more challenging AI opponent, and if you played enough campaigns, you saw every clan have a chance to become Shogun, or at least emerge to challenge you for it. RTW was far too predictable...always the Romans in the western Med and Europe, and the Egyptians in the Middle and Far East. That speaks to imbalanced unit rosters, a lot of which was fixed in some of the great mods done by players.

    Bottom line....want a real challenge? Play either of the two Shogun games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai View Post
    I haven't played any TW games past Shogun II, but up to that point....Shogun I had the best AI, IMO. On Expert setting, it can, and will, kick your a$$ if you make mistakes

    The AI strives to create mismatches: swords over spears, spears over cavalry, etc, so if you don't have balanced armies, the AI adapts and you begin to lose battles.

    The primary (though not the only) reason the AI was better in Shogun I/Med I was because the map was 2-D (making pathfinding easier), the economy was far simpler than when the game engine was changed in RTW I, and there were far less units to deal with.

    Not saying that later games weren't challenging and fun to play, but the original game engine allowed for a more challenging AI opponent, and if you played enough campaigns, you saw every clan have a chance to become Shogun, or at least emerge to challenge you for it. RTW was far too predictable...always the Romans in the western Med and Europe, and the Egyptians in the Middle and Far East. That speaks to imbalanced unit rosters, a lot of which was fixed in some of the great mods done by players.

    Bottom line....want a real challenge? Play either of the two Shogun games.
    Does AI cheat in extreme difficulty?

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    There has to be built-in cheats to make the AI more challenging. In Shogun, the cheats are economic...in other words, the strategic map. On the battlefield, it's mano-a-mano.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoKus View Post
    Does AI cheat in extreme difficulty?
    Not sure about STW1, but in MTW1 you start with less money the higher the difficulty. There are also battlemap bonuses depending on the difficulty, and battlefield tactics get better the higher you go.
    Easy - your units get +4 morale
    Hard - AI units get a +15% bonus in combat
    Expert - AI units get +4 morale and a +30% bonus in combat

    The general consensus in MTW1 is that the best difficulty level is Hard, on Expert enemy units become very difficult to rout and tend to get decimated beyond usefulness and adds to your units valour, which hurts the AI strategically. MTW1 is also fairly easy to tweak with little mods, many players will eliminate peasants and ballista from the build tree, which really helps the AI unit choices.

    Vanilla RTW was pretty bad on release, you could exploit the campaign map movement features and the battlemap had issues. Mods definitely improved it. I didn't play enough MTW2 or Shogun2 to be able to comment on them.
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    The pre 3d games such as Shogun 1 (2d map) and Medieval 1 (2d map) alongside Shogun 2 (ai cheats hardcore) and Warhammer 2 (ai cheats hardcore). Also these games are the most enjoyable imo, not including mods. If we are counting mods then a nice challenging gameplay in terms of Total War games can also include Rome 1 and Medieval 2.

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    STW 1

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    The best mod for the AI is with any dout RTW 1 with darthmod. When I played it was the first time in years that I saw the AI kicking my ass. Just try it
    Then you also have Medieval II total war with mods like Europa Barbarorum II, TATW, etc

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