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    Dems will not gain control of the Senate in 2020. The goal is to make Trump a one term president.
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    On this episode of the Republican electoral fraud saga: North Carolina ballot theft and destruction likely within the margin of victory.

    @Strike For The South

    What's that legal term for wrongfully taking possession of something? Not "misappropriate".


    In more comforting news, the race for one North Carolina Supreme Court seat saw the vote split at the last minute by a never-Trump Republican entering the race, allowing the Democratic candidate to win with 49% of the vote, giving the Democrats 5-2 on the court.

    Someone else can discuss Wisconsin/Michigan, sigh
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    Stealing!
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    Wisconsin and Michigan this time, North Carolina 2 years ago. Alabama in 1999.

    The lag time between election and inauguration used to be 3-4 months in many places -- travel times were slow.

    With results certified in weeks and travel times cross-state and cross country so low, it could be argued that lame duck sessions should be abolished, restricted to existential emergencies only -- or called but the newly elected take their seats immediately.
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    As the story repeats these days, the existence of legacy functions is ancillary to the willingness to abuse them for nefarious purposes.

    I don't know if this has been passed yet, but the North Carolina lame duck is essentially trying to legislate 'when Democrats win elections, Republicans must remain in power':

    In the even-numbered year, the chair shall be a member of the political party with the second highest number of registered affiliates
    The reference to "political party with the second highest number of registered affiliates" is to the Republican Party. The reference to "even-numbered year" is to election years. The reference to "the chair" is to the chairs of county election boards. That is, the proposed (enacted?) law, among other things, would require that all county election boards have Republican chairpersons during elections. At what point do they just say " it, non-members of the Republican Party are not allowed to run for, be appointed to, or occupy any office of public trust"?

    The Grand Old Party should be renamed the Party of Individual One.
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    As David Frum has stated, Republicans have had to make a personal choice between Democracy or Conservatism. 2012 has shown the future is bleak demographically and to maintain competitiveness, compromises untenable to several factions within the party would have to be made (specifically the transition of immigration policy from hard borders to promoted assimilation).

    Those we call Never-Trumpers are simply the ones who chose to maintain a Democratic tradition. The rest are traitors to the ideals of this country.
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    My worry at the moment isn't so much the ongoing rising tension between the increasingly blatant attempts to undermine our Democracy but who will be the ones afterwards to put it back together when it is all said and done.
    Obviously a victorious Trumpist movement would hearken the decline of liberal democracies around the world as the heart of the lion has been successfully stopped.

    But even assuming that the centrist-left contingent of America wins out in the political/culture wars, would we be able to learn the right lessons? How does the lack of a democratically tamed right generate anything less than a power vacuum?
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    My worry at the moment isn't so much the ongoing rising tension between the increasingly blatant attempts to undermine our Democracy but who will be the ones afterwards to put it back together when it is all said and done.
    Obviously a victorious Trumpist movement would hearken the decline of liberal democracies around the world as the heart of the lion has been successfully stopped.

    But even assuming that the centrist-left contingent of America wins out in the political/culture wars, would we be able to learn the right lessons? How does the lack of a democratically tamed right generate anything less than a power vacuum?
    There is not going to be a "democratically-tamed right". There will be insurrection.

    I would enjoy seeing a two-party system featuring Socialists and Social Democrats. Refer to this helpful breakdown of the American left today (though it's probably more generalizable):

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    Rebuild democracy? The whole world needs to be rebuilt for humanity to survive, or to exist in a non-dystopia. I expected downfall would come even in 2014; of course my understanding in the before-time was much more diffuse, abstract, and apathetic. We're in it now though son. We know enough to know we can't imagine how things will look in even a generation.

    Ultimately it's easy to remain confident that there are simply too many nodes that necessarily have to be reached step-by-step to believe that civilizational collapse is not overdetermined.

    (I've enumerated or touched on most of these nodes here and there. I may have to assemble them for the reader's benefit sometime.)
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