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    A little thing (and I do literally mean little) showed up in the ointment that Trump supporters slather on their asses and each other---SARS-CoV-2. Don't think for a minute that the Dems won't keep harping on Donny Baby's abysmal response to a threat he couldn't bullshit his way through. And I would suspect that as the spring wears on into summer, voters (especially all of those millions who will then be on the unemployment line) will be spoon-fed all the articles written about how Donny Baby eliminated the NSC's Pandemic Response team in 2018, and followed that up by slashing the CDC's budget. Whether he was correct or not, the general public will buy in that it hurt our COVID-19 response, IMHO.
    Firstly you are destined for the inferno for inserting such a blasphemous mental image into my spotless innocent mind.

    Secondly what you say is predicated on the democrats ability. They have to persuade people outside the partisan true believers that a) that what they saying isnt just tribalistic hackery and b) they could do a better job. Well as I mentioned they're awful at both, they spent 3 years crying wolf again and again so a) is shot to hell and b) has to contend with the democrats propensity to self harm, as the stimulus bill fiasco is but the latest example;

    Yes, there is a strategy in packing things you dont care about that you can conceed to the opposition in exchange for preserving what you actually want, trump did dictate a book about it after all, but they picked the worst bill optically to do it on. Now they look like they thought it was a good idea to hold hostage a handout during an epidemic.
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    Firstly you are destined for the inferno for inserting such a blasphemous mental image into my spotless innocent mind


    They have to persuade people outside the partisan true believers
    This is where I believe the dead will speak. When the dust settles (at least for the moment), someone will have to take the fall. Donny Baby's personality simply doesn't allow for him to admit he was wrong. When faced with facts that threaten his image, he denies them as false (or "Fake News") and aggressively attacks the credibility of those producing those facts. His tweets and press conferences since this all began are rife with misinformation, outright lies, and a total disregard for the serious of the situation ("One day it'll be like a miracle. It will just disappear."). The number of dead will say otherwise.

    Because, as Monty has put it, "You can't BS a virus", Trump realizes that people are angry now, and there will be many, many more on the unemployment line or out of business who will need to blame someone for our gross unpreparedness. Therefore, let's call this the "Chinese Virus" and blame THEM. As long as the spotlight stays off of his mistakes and lack of leadership, he will try to pit his various enemies (real or perceived) against each other. It's what he does best. However, you can't BS the dead, either.

    as the stimulus bill fiasco is but the latest example
    Well, currently, it's a GOP Senator threatening to delay the bill even further:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...us-2-trillion/
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    Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault:

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...exual-assault/

    If the Democrats don't take this seriously and refuse to investigate, especially after the grilling they gave Brett Kavanaugh, I think I will just be completely done with electoralism and voting. I despise the Republicans for their policies and what they stand for but it's starting to look like the Democrats aren't much of an alternative and there is no way I will vote for Joe Biden.

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    Joe Biden has been accused of sexual assault:

    https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile...exual-assault/

    If the Democrats don't take this seriously and refuse to investigate, especially after the grilling they gave Brett Kavanaugh, I think I will just be completely done with electoralism and voting. I despise the Republicans for their policies and what they stand for but it's starting to look like the Democrats aren't much of an alternative and there is no way I will vote for Joe Biden.
    I agree that these are serious allegations that demand a hearing. Pending investigation, Democrats need to be prepared to huddle on a path forward without Biden. But don't elide the actual consequences of ignoring electoral politics if you care about progressivism.
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    “I would say politics was definitely the impetus,” she said. “The reason why we’re having these conversations about Vice President Joe Biden is because he’s considering running for president.”
    Yes, but whose politics? Highly suspicious, IMHO, that if the allegations are true, waiting until now (instead of coming forth then) smacks of political muck-raking

    And lest we forget the American public was willing to overlook adultery when choosing their next president:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43334326
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    I'm skeptical of the accusation. The accuser praised Biden for years, suddenly deletes her Twitter and creates a new one with a fake last name for Bernie praising, writes blog posts professing outright love for Russia while calling U.S. "the bad guys", makes allegation that he touched her on the neck while explicitly saying she wasn't assaulted, later changes the allegation to be more extreme, deletes pro-Russia blog posts, story is only picked up by a podcast host from Rolling Stone (the publication that lost a suit for publishing a false rape allegation). Something doesn't add up here. That being said, it should be fully investigated.
    Edit: an interesting thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooahguy View Post
    I'm skeptical of the accusation. The accuser praised Biden for years, suddenly deletes her Twitter and creates a new one with a fake last name for Bernie praising, writes blog posts professing outright love for Russia while calling U.S. "the bad guys", makes allegation that he touched her on the neck while explicitly saying she wasn't assaulted, later changes the allegation to be more extreme, deletes pro-Russia blog posts, story is only picked up by a podcast host from Rolling Stone (the publication that lost a suit for publishing a false rape allegation). Something doesn't add up here. That being said, it should be fully investigated.
    Edit: an interesting thread
    I dunno, wasn't the message of #MeToo that it is incredibly difficult for woman to come forward when they are assaulted and they should be believed even if they denied being assaulted in the past? These things are difficult because on the one hand, yea, she could be lying, but on the other hand, being sexually assaulted or raped is deeply traumatizing and could cause the victim to act irrationally, not be honest about what happened out of fear of not being believed or being attacked for coming forward, etc.

    Reade's opinions on Russia and Putin have nothing to do with the allegations and shouldn't be used as evidence that she is lying. She is entitled to her own political beliefs, even if they fall outside the liberal mainstream. In fact I think using her pro-Putin blog posts to damage her credibility is disgustingly misogynist.

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    The #MeToo movement does not mean that allegations should be automatically considered true without evidence either. Thats why I support an investigation, as all I have seen so far is hearsay.

    As for the blog posts and stuff like that, the point was that it was part of a pattern of erratic behavior that casts doubt on the situation.
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    Yes, one is entitled to maintain nutbar politics in the context of this being a free country, but the more important consideration is that no matter how improbable it seems that this allegation wasn't uncovered or publicized years ago, it would be at least as improbable for a person to fabricate them against a major presidential candidate in the capacity of ideological pawn. Therefore we afford the benefit of the doubt.

    Any number of media outlets would be salivating to get a scoop like this over Joe Biden, so if there's a story it will all come out. Let's see if further claims come forward, the environment for them having been primed.
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    I think this is a very balanced review of the details of the accusation:

    Salon - A woman accuses Joe Biden of sexual assault, and all hell breaks loose online. Here's what we know
    No matter how it may be interpreted, "believe women" has never been an injunction to publish every allegation of sexual abuse without hesitation or reservation. It's about taking these stories seriously on their own terms, instead of dismissing them as women's attempts to manipulate people and public opinion. For journalists, it means we must take stories of sexual abuse seriously and treat them carefully and thoroughly; as Rebecca Traister said on Twitter in 2017, that means publishing stories that are "reported, investigated, fact checked & backed up by the outlets reporting on them."

    What can be said is that Reade's story is credible and compelling in some important ways, and also comes with a number of troubling red flags. For a variety of reasons it has not been taken seriously on a national level, but those reasons do not include a mainstream media conspiracy to protect Joe Biden. Rather than becoming the subject of serious investigation, this has instead become an occasion for die-hard supporters on both the Sanders and Biden sides to score points on one another online. Actual facts have been supplanted by reckless conspiracy theories spun by enthusiasts of both candidates. Whatever the facts of this case may be, the #MeToo movement deserves better than to be dragged into the sleaze like this.
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    Here's a transcript of the original podcast interview with Reade.
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    Bernie Sanders has ended his presidential campaign.

    What a ride. At least now we can all fully pivot to November.
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    Bernie Sanders has ended his presidential campaign.

    What a ride. At least now we can all fully pivot to November.
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    Because of the Coronavirus, the world is already turning socialist.
    His job has already been done.
    Not unless Biden loses. Then the US has a conservative judiciary for 40-60 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beskar View Post
    Because of the Coronavirus, the world is already turning socialist.
    His job has already been done.
    Companies are always socialist in down turns when they want loads of money at the cheapest rates possible since they are suddenly a social good. When times are good they are all about free markets and no intervention whilst they avoid paying every tax they possibly can.

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    Not unless Biden loses. Then the US has a conservative judiciary for 40-60 years.
    Four years of Trump with basically nothing to loose since he can't get a third term could be even more extreme. His exit strategy is likely to be to try to get a stooge as the next incumbent.

    Hopefully 4 years of Biden will be a soft reset enabling both parties to pull themselves together and pretend the previous decade didn't happen.

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    I give you a 90% on not getting that biden term, all hinges on the running mate and by declaring it'd be female he's cornered himself into a number of bad options.

    Harris or warren and he's done, utter trash, pence would evicerate them. Clinton, even worse, not only is he done he breaks the party over her knee, klobuchar would be uninspiring but ok, puts him up to 20% chance I think. Gabbard, yeah he's not that brave, she'd be great for catching republicans but the dem's would throw a fit. Williamson, literally who. Gillibrand, well she's photogenic but methinks jumping on the metoo pile over franken and bubba isnt going to make biden all that eager.
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    Biden's veep-nominee only has to NOT exacerbate problems with the blue collar/lower white collar folks in the upper Midwest. If Biden carves back any reasonable percentage of those from the "We Loathe Hillary/Trump Talks Like Us" crowd then Trump has a hard time getting the EC win he did in 2016. Trump probably keeps Florida, which he has cultivated, but cannot win with JUST Florida among the swing states. Most states are just a bit more ardently what they were last time, so the popular vote is sorta moot. The key is the popular vote in those states where its pretty "purple."

    So, while you are correct that none of the current leading distaff names are likely to produce much of a plus, all they have to really do is NOT actively drag Biden down with that bloc of voters.
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    Moreover, I do not see that Biden has to stick with the recent campaigners to honor his promise. What about Grisham or Small or Houlahan or even Guerrero?
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    I dont know man, he's gonna have to break a lot of the promises made in the primaries if he wants to get the rust belt back, putting his hand up for giving illegals tax paid healthcare is not an easy stain to wash out and picking a running mate that doesnt tick enough diversity boxes is gonna reduce his wiggle room a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Hopefully 4 years of Biden will be a soft reset enabling both parties to pull themselves together and pretend the previous decade didn't happen
    Hello, one party is fascist. They're committed to their course.

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    I give you a 90% on not getting that biden term, all hinges on the running mate and by declaring it'd be female he's cornered himself into a number of bad options.

    Harris or warren and he's done, utter trash, pence would evicerate them. Clinton, even worse, not only is he done he breaks the party over her knee, klobuchar would be uninspiring but ok, puts him up to 20% chance I think. Gabbard, yeah he's not that brave, she'd be great for catching republicans but the dem's would throw a fit. Williamson, literally who. Gillibrand, well she's photogenic but methinks jumping on the metoo pile over franken and bubba isnt going to make biden all that eager.
    You had a shallow enough knowledge of American politics to write this - did you know there are woman Democrats outside the 2020 primary field? - but why didn't you feel the need for even a pretense of assembling an analysis to support any of it? The image of Mike Pence, who Republicans think is a wet noodle, "eviscerating" the famously-incisive cross-examiners Harris or Warren is comical in particular.


    The starting point against which to set expectations is that the polling has for the past year been pretty consistent with a Biden victory in the low-50s over Trump in the mid-40s, with very little variation. And that was before the pandemic. There's your nail upon which to hang any revision or update, and the few unpredictable* factors that have the potential to detectably influence the distribution of votes (assuming a Trump-Biden race) are a phenomenal economic rebound into Q4, or the descent of a new wave of COVID around election day. (Which is why we need national mail-in voting legislation.)

    If we have an election we can expect Trump will lose it, unless he does something like summon the military to forcibly lock down cities in battleground states on Election Day.

    *By this I don't mean to imply they can't be affected by policy
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    The starting point against which to set expectations is that the polling has for the past year been pretty consistent with a Biden victory in the low-50s over Trump in the mid-40s, with very little variation. And that was before the pandemic. There's your nail upon which to hang any revision or update, and the few unpredictable* factors that have the potential to detectably influence the distribution of votes (assuming a Trump-Biden race) are a phenomenal economic rebound into Q4, or the descent of a new wave of COVID around election day. (Which is why we need national mail-in voting legislation.)
    The only way we could have moved past COVID-19 by election day was if we put no measures in place and let the virus cull millions of people at once.
    They are now predicting 60,000 deaths by August instead of 100k-250k, which is good if it holds true. But we are still a long way away from a vaccine and there are millions of susceptible people that can only be isolated for so long.
    We will either have to maintain a limited social life for over a year which will make many resentful of the administration, or we will relax measures and risk overloading the health care system for a second time.

    At the end of the day, we won't be able to remove this virus from the population at large until a vaccine is made. We are flattening the curve but there will still be a consistent level of new infections that continue to kill a percentage of the nations elderly (and younger compromised people) for months, if not through 2021.

    There's roughly 48 million Americans who are over the age of 65. Assume that after relaxing measures that the health care system is not over loaded, and even better, able to bring the death rate for that demographic from 15% down to 5%.
    We would still expect to see 2.4 million deaths from COVID-19 assuming everyone is exposed eventually.
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    The only way we could have moved past COVID-19 by election day was if we put no measures in place and let the virus cull millions of people at once.
    They are now predicting 60,000 deaths by August instead of 100k-250k, which is good if it holds true. But we are still a long way away from a vaccine and there are millions of susceptible people that can only be isolated for so long.
    We will either have to maintain a limited social life for over a year which will make many resentful of the administration, or we will relax measures and risk overloading the health care system for a second time.

    At the end of the day, we won't be able to remove this virus from the population at large until a vaccine is made. We are flattening the curve but there will still be a consistent level of new infections that continue to kill a percentage of the nations elderly (and younger compromised people) for months, if not through 2021.

    There's roughly 48 million Americans who are over the age of 65. Assume that after relaxing measures that the health care system is not over loaded, and even better, able to bring the death rate for that demographic from 15% down to 5%.
    We would still expect to see 2.4 million deaths from COVID-19 assuming everyone is exposed eventually.
    With 16K+ officially-attributed deaths so far, I wouldn't be surprised if we've already approaching 60K direct fatalities. If, a year from now, analyses estimate 60K by the beginning of April, I wouldn't be shocked either.

    Watch the South in the coming weeks. You're going to see thousands of deaths at home, and the hospital systems there have taken few steps to expand their already-dismal capacity. Unfortunately the odds are strong of at least a plurality of those victims being black.
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    With 16K+ officially-attributed deaths so far, I wouldn't be surprised if we've already approaching 60K direct fatalities. If, a year from now, analyses estimate 60K by the beginning of April, I wouldn't be shocked either.

    Watch the South in the coming weeks. You're going to see thousands of deaths at home, and the hospital systems there have taken few steps to expand their already-dismal capacity. Unfortunately the odds are strong of at least a plurality of those victims being black.
    Well no one is counting the deaths at home yet. Once we do, all bets are off on what the totals become.

    There are still 7 or 8 states with no stay at home order in place. All Republican governors. Not sure how that is going to play out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    You had a shallow enough knowledge of American politics to write this - did you know there are woman Democrats outside the 2020 primary field? - but why didn't you feel the need for even a pretense of assembling an analysis to support any of it? The image of Mike Pence, who Republicans think is a wet noodle, "eviscerating" the famously-incisive cross-examiners Harris or Warren is comical in particular.

    The starting point against which to set expectations is that the polling has for the past year been pretty consistent with a Biden victory in the low-50s over Trump in the mid-40s, with very little variation. And that was before the pandemic. There's your nail upon which to hang any revision or update, and the few unpredictable* factors that have the potential to detectably influence the distribution of votes (assuming a Trump-Biden race) are a phenomenal economic rebound into Q4, or the descent of a new wave of COVID around election day. (Which is why we need national mail-in voting legislation.)

    If we have an election we can expect Trump will lose it, unless he does something like summon the military to forcibly lock down cities in battleground states on Election Day.

    *By this I don't mean to imply they can't be affected by policy
    I'd be more worried if this wasnt the same thing being said in 2016.

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    Harris and Warren are albatrosses; their records are great pulsating kick me signs that pence, unexciting as he may be, will not have trouble putting the boot in. Hell, gabbard already gave him a script for harris and Warren, well, there aint a witch doctor powerful enough to fix that left lean.

    Wait, no, wrong minority group. My bad.

    As for other women in the party, the expectation is to pick someone you ran against, defying that would be something of a snub to the people he wants rallying around him. Then again with the selection he has it might be worth the risk.

    Who could he get with similar exposure? Pelosi? Not with the stimulus debacle still in the public consciousness. The squad? Biden's not that demented.

    Grisham would be a solid choice, experienced, beaten republicans before, got a few guns rights and abortion issues in her resume but then what democrat doesnt? Worst thing she has would be her age, but again what major dem isnt at least edging elderly, still a spring chicken compared the primary dems.

    Abrams would be a klobuchar; solid but unexciting and she's somewhat lacking in exposure and laurels, a literally who. She's young though so thats a plus.

    Baldwin's OK, active for a senator, laureled, strategically placed, openly gay. Model Obama era democrat. Certainly would get the base excited more than most, not sure about the rust belt though, kind of reinforces the third obama term viibe biden has, not good for winning back Obama to Trump defectors.

    Duckworth; disabled, asian, ticks diversity boxes and the veteran angle is very good for across the isle voters. Pro gun for a dem, married, mother, fairly young. I think she would do very well against Pence and I'd dare say would be Biden's best bet. Her record might make the far left leery but thats what the diversity boxes are for.

    Whitmer, divorcee, mother of two, remarried man with 3 children of his own. Experienced, but she's a bit of an odd duck in terms of policy, being the only democrat against single payer healthcare. I dunno, the dems seem to think she's a good choice, dont think I would agree.
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    Whitmer, divorcee, mother of two, remarried man with 3 children of his own. Experienced, but she's a bit of an odd duck in terms of policy, being the only democrat against single payer healthcare. I dunno, the dems seem to think she's a good choice, dont think I would agree.
    Michigan was one of the key states that put Fearless Leader into the White House in 2016. According to some, he's made a big mistake ridiculing Whitmer:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/609727/

    Bernie Porn, the president of the Lansing-based nonpartisan polling firm EPIC-MRA, told me that before the outbreak, Trump “was already vulnerable in Michigan.” But his confrontations with Whitmer could seal his fate. “I don’t understand what he is thinking about,” Porn said. “She has done a fantastic job during this health crisis. She’s been very decisive. And she made decisions about closing things down and taking actions” before the state hit a spike. By attacking Whitmer while she copes with these enormous challenges, Porn said, Trump has created a situation where “the ads write themselves” for Democrats in the state.
    He [Trump] won Michigan in 2016 by only 10,704 votes—a smaller margin than in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the two other bricks that he dislodged from the Democrats’ “blue wall.” The president can hardly afford any erosion in the populous Detroit metropolitan area.
    Two suburban counties outside the city illustrate his problem. Four years ago, he won Macomb County, the fabled seedbed of blue-collar “Reagan Democrats,” by 12 percentage points, and he lost white-collar Oakland County by about eight points. In 2018, Whitmer narrowly won Macomb and roughly doubled Hillary Clinton’s margin in Oakland. Just before the outbreak crested last month, turnout in both places soared in the 2020 Democratic primary compared with 2016, a sign of rising engagement among Democrats. Now both counties are facing fierce conditions, with more than 6,600 cases and 375 deaths combined as of yesterday morning. (Wayne County, which includes Detroit, has more than 9,600 cases and almost 450 deaths, one of the nation’s heaviest concentrations.) Detroit newspapers this week have been filled with wrenching stories about hundreds of local health-care workers, particularly nurses, who’ve tested positive for the disease. The only recent public polling in Michigan came in mid-March, before Trump’s public attacks on Whitmer and the health-care crisis’s surge in the state. Even at that point, the share of residents who approved of Whitmer’s response to the outbreak (about 70 percent) dwarfed the portion that approved of Trump (about 50 percent), according to the Great Lakes Poll, which is conducted across several Midwest states by Baldwin Wallace University. The survey also found that Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden in a general-election matchup in Michigan by five percentage points.
    Now for sure, polls don't necessarily translate into reality, but as the pandemic starts to creep out into the rural, Republican areas of Michigan (like it's starting to do), the dead will begin to have their say
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    ... the dead will begin to have their say
    And why not? They've been voting for years in Cook County...





    (Okay, so maybe that sort of thing didn't happen much after Old Mayor Daly stopped looking at the green side of the grass, but it is a hoary political chestnut).
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    The left are oft accused of having the dead vote while the right are frequently accused of rewriting the district lines to marginalize people.

    It gives me the amusing mental image of an electoral war between necromancers and geomancers.
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    The left are oft accused of having the dead vote while the right are frequently accused of rewriting the district lines to marginalize people.
    The former is the fantasy of those who would like nothing better than to reduce the two-party system to a single party; the latter is the reality of those who are working hard to make it so....

    Think this scene won't have an impact?

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...ork-1/12140490


    .........wasn't too long ago that US media was plastered with pics from mass burials in Iran.....
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    The former is the fantasy of those who would like nothing better than to reduce the two-party system to a single party; the latter is the reality of those who are working hard to make it so....
    Sure buddy.
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    The left are oft accused of having the dead vote
    The accusations were proved to be patently false:

    Fearless Leader from a 23 June 2019 interview with Meet the Press:

    I think there is a lot of evidence, but we’ll provide you with some. There’s evidence that’s being compiled just like it’s being compiled in the state of California, where they settled with Judicial Watch saying that a million people should not have been voting. You saw that? I am telling you, in California, in the great state of California, they settled and we could’ve gone a lot further. Judicial Watch settled where they agreed that a million people should not have voted, where they were 115 years old and lots of things and people were voting in their place.
    That statement debunked:

    https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/2121482...ce-coronavirus

    Judicial Watch is a right-wing nonprofit led by staunch Trump loyalist Tom Fitton. The settlement Trump referred to is a January 2019 agreement between the organization and Los Angeles County that required the county to remove inactive registrations from the voter rolls. By definition, these people hadn’t voted — that’s why their registrations were inactive. Yet Trump has somehow spun this into an unfounded claim about a million people casting illegal ballots.
    the right are frequently accused of rewriting the district lines to marginalize people.
    https://theintercept.com/2019/09/27/...ofeller-memos/

    In a trove of never before published memos and emails, however, GOP leaders come clean: Their nationwide advantage in state legislatures and Congress is built on gerrymandering. And top Republican strategists and political operatives admit to weaponizing racial data and the Voting Rights Act in order to flip the South red and tilt electoral maps in their direction.
    Now put this all together with Fearless Leader's recent comments on mail-in voting:

    https://www.vox.com/2020/4/8/2121341...in-coronavirus

    But in Trump’s mind, mail-in voting has a major downside. Because it’s so easy, it increases voter turnout. And increased turnout typically helps Democrats. (There’s little evidence that mail-in voting disproportionately helps Democrats, but that hasn’t stopped Trump and other Republicans from opposing it on a partisan basis.) On Wednesday morning, Trump came very close to admitting this. In response to something he saw on Fox & Friends, Trump tweeted that “Republicans should fight very hard when it comes to state wide mail-in voting,” adding that “for whatever reason, [it] doesn’t work out well for Republicans.”
    So yeah, buddy, I'm sure.....
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