A change in British politics... or a blip?

[rory_20_uk]

I've seen all of Mr Grey's videos. The rules for rulers was my favourite and I've read the book behind it. Very enlightening.

You might be unaware that a couple of years ago there was a vote on whether we'd move from First Past the Post to single transferrable vote. And people voted to remain with the status quo... Yet these videos clearly demonstrate in about 5 minutes how the system we have is pretty much worse than any alternative.

Is it that a semi-professional has more insight and clarity than the entire UK government - or was there in fact no desire to change the system that works well for the current politicians and their needs.

[Beskar]

You might be unaware that a couple of years ago there was a vote on whether we'd move from First Past the Post to single transferrable vote. And people voted to remain with the status quo... Yet these videos clearly demonstrate in about 5 minutes how the system we have is pretty much worse than any alternative.

It was a vote on replacing FPTP with Alternative-Vote (not STV). It was a Referendum which got zero support in Parliament other than the Lib-dems in the Lib-dem Tory coalition. The Referendum was mandated by the Lib-dems as a condition of coalition.

This lack of support feeds into your ending point. The current system benefits the two-party system (arguably now one-party) and by opening it up, it reduces their power.

[Tuuvi]

Just curious, what's the basis for the allegations that the Labour party is anti-Semetic?

[Pannonian]

Just curious, what's the basis for the allegations that the Labour party is anti-Semetic?

The ruling faction is full of people who perpetuate anti-semitic myths. Do you remember the opening episode of West Wing where this right wing Christian fundie rails against east coast liberals and Tobie reads this (correctly) as Jews? There are left wing equivalents for this anti-semitic vocab, and it's become currency among the ruling faction in Labour. And because it's currency in the ruling faction, it's also become institutionalised. Complaints about anti-semitism have to push against a lot of friction as they typically get lost up the chain, with one of the departing MPs having had death threats against her covered up.

[Beskar]

As Fragony used to point out, the hard-left has a love-affair with the Palestinian movement to an almost irrational level. This feeds into a lot of anti-Israel and further down the line, anti-Jewish sentiment. This strange alliance also resulted in the Respect party of 2004-2007. I think this is part of the opposite to general right-wing conservative support of Israel. As Corbyn's supporters are from individuals from the Palestinian side of the fence, there was resultant attitude to accept the full definition of the IHRA examples last year which made the head-lines and Labour bowed too under pressure.

Outside of the Palestinian-esque arguments, I haven't seen any anti-semitic attitudes as a rule or principle. To me it seems to be focused on this particular hotbed of controversy.

[Pannonian]

As Fragony used to point out, the hard-left has a love-affair with the Palestinian movement to an almost irrational level. This feeds into a lot of anti-Israel and further down the line, anti-Jewish sentiment. This strange alliance also resulted in the Respect party of 2004-2007. I think this is part of the opposite to general right-wing conservative support of Israel. As Corbyn's supporters are from individuals from the Palestinian side of the fence, there was resultant attitude to accept the full definition of the IHRA examples last year which made the head-lines and Labour bowed too under pressure.

Outside of the Palestinian-esque arguments, I haven't seen any anti-semitic attitudes as a rule or principle. To me it seems to be focused on this particular hotbed of controversy.

The global rule of bankers and media is the left's version of the US Right's complaints about east coast liberals. The Rothschild myth is the left's version of the blood libel. The latter has only made rare appearances from Corbyn's mates (although it has made appearances), but the former is mainstream in the Labour party, even after the Chakrabarti report. Ironically, during the launch for the Chakrabarti report, a Jewish Labour MP was confronted by one of Corbyn's long time friends with precisely these accusations. And when said MP complained to the attending Corbyn about this, he backed his friend rather than the MP.

[Furunculus]

Just curious, what's the basis for the allegations that the Labour party is anti-Semetic?

my own thought is that the problem derives from the neoprogressive view that all relations must be understood through power and oppression of identity groups:
there is no room for any alternative motivation when looking at how one group relates to another, not affection, affinity, self interest, just power and oppression.
power held by one group, used to oppress another.

derida has a lot to answer for, as even though 90% of the identitarian left have never heard of him he has poisoned their view of the world.
and of course we now have the alt-right who choose to see world through the same distorted prism, with themselves as the unjustly 'oppressed'.

back to israel:
it has a problem, they are deemed to have power in the mythology of the left (the protocols of the elders of zion), and there is a group they are intimately associated with who are considered to be more oppressed (those poor old palestinians).
when you view the world solely through identity politics then it is impossible for israel and israeli's to present as anything more than an exploitative oppressor.

when i describe myself as a classical liberal, this above is the antithesis of that view:
I couldn't give a flying buck about [your] group identity, how oppressed it is, or how concerned you are about the legitimacy of your grievance against your notional oppressor.
I care about people, not groups, and my prime political motivation is that people are treated decently, with justice and equity.
but that is not the reality that the identitarian left and right exist within.

that CPG Gray vid suffers from a similar problem; an obsession with group identity. of course there is no way i would vote for a black man, or a woman, or a disabled person! irony alert.

this being a great example:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tizenship.html
our John is totally justified in believing that a brit fighting for israel deserves removal of citizenship, where he is at worst indifferent to the plight of shamima the headhacker bride. power and oppression.

and another:
https://twitter.com/PureGodfrey/stat...40636177649664