https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794
The current state of Notre Dame makes it a possibility that the structure of the Cathedral may collapse, although the BBC are currently downplaying this.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47941794
The current state of Notre Dame makes it a possibility that the structure of the Cathedral may collapse, although the BBC are currently downplaying this.
God have Mercy
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I am currently watching this on TV and I'm in disbelief - initially there was this contained fire in the south then it slowly took over the entire cathedral. The north tower is in danger right now.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...-the-cathedral
This explains some of the underlying issues with the structure, parts of the Cathedral were being held up by wood and metal paces which may now burn or otherwise fail.
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Even if it doesn't collapse, buttressing the remaining shell will take months if not years... the horrible decision of going quickly but less carefully or slow and methodically and hoping that time and even rain doesn't cause a collapse.
Trump can't even keep quiet on this disaster either...
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The BBC is reporting that the main structure is now safe, but Im still rather upset about this. I was so looking forward to seeing it when I visited next month.
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Apparently either some or most of the artwork was saved?
Hopefully they can meticulously reconstruct what was lost and eventually the 2019 cathedral will seem just as monumentally present as the 1831 cathedral seems to us.
Also:
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Apparently most of the artwork is safe - relics are preserved.
Ja mata, TosaInu. You will forever be remembered.
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Been to:
Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
Well shall have to see, but the latest images show that some of the vaulting in the nave has collapsed. Like most medieval Cathedrals Notre Dame's wooden roof rested on stone vaulting, the actual ceiling of the cathedral. The vaulting exerts an outwards pressure which is countered by the inward pressure of the flying buttresses. Once the structure is weakened by fire the vaulting can collapse, which means there's no counterpoint to the flying buttresses, leading to a risk of an inward collapse of the entire nave.
This sort of things can, of course, be countered by bracing etc. or (in an emergency) possibly undermining buttresses (although this could also cause the whole structure to twist and collapse. One possible bright spot here is that Notre Dame was already undergoing huge renovations which means there should be a Cathedral architect on-site with a thorough understanding of the structure and geometry of the cathedral.
The whole structure will take days to fully cool and settle, so it could be a while before we know the true extent of the damage. Between then and now there's nothing to do but hope and pray.
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On the plus side, the cathedral will probably get millions in renovation funding from around the world and the government. So it will be rebuilt in its magnificent glory.
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A new one is better than a refurbished one anyway. They can also introduce advanced materials such as fiberglass, carbon fiber and recycled ocean plastic with solar panels and windmills on top.
I mean, I'm glad no humans go hurt. Shame for the building, but it could have been worse.
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Sad but it will be rebuilt, just as it has before.
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Fortunately, nobody appears to have been seriously harmed in the process.
News reports that hundreds of millions of Euros have been pledged for the reconstruction. I am sure that the reconstruction will be controversial -- such things always are.
The snarky in me wonders if the laïcité purists will insist it be rebuilt as a Temple of Reason again...
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Seems the interior was mostly protected by the vaulted ceiling, only one section collapsed and was due to the spire falling on it, who knows at this point how much damage the heat did to the stonework.
Then we remember the facts:
- the "cat" is not dead.
- the "cat" was severely in need of renovation and lacking material (money) support.
- the "cat" is now going to be repaired and rebuilt better than ever with excessive material support.
- the posts about the "cat" you were responding too was about this silver lining despite the tragedy which would ensure what is left can be enjoyed for future generations due to this outreach of support which was previously lacking.
Last edited by Beskar; 04-16-2019 at 23:31.
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Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Oh come on, you want to see windmills made of ocean plastic on it, too!
Plus, unlike a cat, a building doesn't have a soul. It's terrible for the objectophiles of course.
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None of which will be of any comfort to the congregation on Maundy Thursday, who now do not have a Cathedral to worship in.
Sometimes, Beskar, the person with a closer emotional connection just has the more appropriate emotional response. Obviously, you aren't having an emotional response, so would you kindly?
Oh, Cathedrals definitely have souls.
Also, I had a thing with a visiting Dutch academic last year - she was able to help me better understand the German sense of humour, so now I can at least tell when you're trying to be funny.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ris-cathedral/
Macron thinks he can do it in five years.
The French aristocracy have already pledged 1 Billion Euros.
France is a strange place, theoretically a Republic yet at times like this it feels more like the Ancien Regime.
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"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
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Well, you claimed that the more emotional response may be more appropriate, but who is to judge that?
It's nothing but an opinion.
I do wonder though, why people sometimes have a more emotional connection to things than to other people.
Maybe I'd cry if my house burnt down, but not having a Sunday service at the usual place, I don't know. Is it about the worship or the nice windows?
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So your response is not more emotional then? I wonder why you get so upset then.
I don't know that Facebook page and didn't bother to check it out, you seem to know it better than I do.
edit: UbiSoft are also giving away AC:Unity on UPlay because of this. In addition to donating 500,000€:
https://register.ubisoft.com/acu-not...giveaway/en-GB
Someone mentioned though, that, in France, people and corporations can get up to a 60% tax return for such donations, so a lot of these huge donations from French billionaires and corporations may largely be paid for by the public in the end.
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Let's be honest here - a donation like this, while being of a very kind gesture and clearly from companies like LVMH and Kering it's actually very useful because they actually have very skilled artisans, is a very good tax write off.
Ja mata, TosaInu. You will forever be remembered.
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Been to:
Swords Made of Letters - 1938. The war is looming in France - and Alexandre Reythier does not have much time left to protect his country. A novel set before the war.
A Painted Shield of Honour - 1313. Templar Knights in France are in grave danger. Can they be saved?
In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. God's visible hand was everywhere, in the rainbow and the comet, in the thunder and the wind. The Devil too raged openly upon the earth; he skulked behind the hedge-rows in the gloaming; he laughed loudly in the night-time; he clawed the dying sinner, pounced on the unbaptized babe, and twisted the limbs of the epileptic. A foul fiend slunk ever by a man's side and whispered villainies in his ear, while above him there hovered an angel of grace . . .
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60% being subtracted from the tax income is better than the 100 that would need to be taken if they didnt.
Hopefully the murmerings about the government planning on replacing the spire with some symbolic modern art eysore is just the rumor mill.
Last edited by Greyblades; 04-19-2019 at 02:03.
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