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    Default Re: The XYZelensky Affair and the Whole Impeachment Shebang

    At Monty RE #54 above.

    As to the conquest of the Native Americans, I agree with you. While it was not programmatic or systemic, the 'we are better then them so we have a right to squelch them' mentality was a nearly ubiquitous attitude that allowed "euro" Americans to treat them with disdain for so long. While never as openly and completely articulated as the eugenics message of Germany's NSDAP, it was functionally they same self-aggrandizing belief that we were superior and had a right (duty?) to treat them little better than livestock.

    Movement Conservatism Thought Leaders:

    The modern American Conservative movement really has three intellectual founders: Buckley, Kristol, & Friedman. This is the troika who estabished the mantra of smaller and less intrusive government, anti-Keynesianism, market deregulatin etc. At the outset their was a bit of a "white man's burden" attitude towards segregation etc. This was, fortunately, set aside by Buckley et al. Goldwater was the first pol to take up this stance on a national scale. Reagan was his heir in this role.

    GOP'ers usually see two 'counter-points' to movement conservatism: Country Club Republicans [typified by Nixon, GHWB, and Ford] who seek power but have little interest in small government or scaling down government's role in the economy. They are often viewed as seeking to keep their privilege intact while maintaining government power to do so. Trump doesn't use the 'country club' label, since Limbaugh has rechristened them as "Never Trumpers" but they Movement conservatives view them as too willing to make a deal and not dedicated to conservatism winning.

    You also have the "Buchhannan" wing. This was a batch of ardent America Firsters. Less taxation, less social welfare, but promote American economic growth and success through tariffs and leveraging American economic power to advantage. TEA party wingers draw some of their motivation from this wing.

    Trump core support (aside from the racist asshats who want their Aryan nation fantasy) draw from this Buchannan wing and have, to a goodly extent, taken over Movement Conservatism from the inside. I am not enamored of the distortions this brings.
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    Default Re: The XYZelensky Affair and the Whole Impeachment Shebang

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    At Monty RE #54 above.

    As to the conquest of the Native Americans, I agree with you. While it was not programmatic or systemic, the 'we are better then them so we have a right to squelch them' mentality was a nearly ubiquitous attitude that allowed "euro" Americans to treat them with disdain for so long. While never as openly and completely articulated as the eugenics message of Germany's NSDAP, it was functionally they same self-aggrandizing belief that we were superior and had a right (duty?) to treat them little better than livestock.

    Movement Conservatism Thought Leaders:

    The modern American Conservative movement really has three intellectual founders: Buckley, Kristol, & Friedman. This is the troika who estabished the mantra of smaller and less intrusive government, anti-Keynesianism, market deregulatin etc. At the outset their was a bit of a "white man's burden" attitude towards segregation etc. This was, fortunately, set aside by Buckley et al. Goldwater was the first pol to take up this stance on a national scale. Reagan was his heir in this role.

    GOP'ers usually see two 'counter-points' to movement conservatism: Country Club Republicans [typified by Nixon, GHWB, and Ford] who seek power but have little interest in small government or scaling down government's role in the economy. They are often viewed as seeking to keep their privilege intact while maintaining government power to do so. Trump doesn't use the 'country club' label, since Limbaugh has rechristened them as "Never Trumpers" but they Movement conservatives view them as too willing to make a deal and not dedicated to conservatism winning.

    You also have the "Buchhannan" wing. This was a batch of ardent America Firsters. Less taxation, less social welfare, but promote American economic growth and success through tariffs and leveraging American economic power to advantage. TEA party wingers draw some of their motivation from this wing.

    Trump core support (aside from the racist asshats who want their Aryan nation fantasy) draw from this Buchannan wing and have, to a goodly extent, taken over Movement Conservatism from the inside. I am not enamored of the distortions this brings.
    I actually don't have a problem with the philosophical fathers of Conservatism. Even where I strongly disagree, I still respect their right to pursue their politics. The distinguishing features of what I've called Bannonism are little to do with their political philosophy, and more to do with how they pursue them.

    1. Build a core of around 30% who will back them no matter what.
    2. Build an operational strategy around consequences. If there are no repercussions, they are free to break the law and/or constitution.
    3. Refer all disagreements to the holy principle of democracy, based on the core 30% and whoever else they can get.
    4. Silence the opposition.

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