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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    "That has nothing to do with us," Mr. Trump said. "They've got a lot of sand over there ... There's a lot of sand they can play with."
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    Any military folk of my acquaintance were always complimentary in their mentions of Kurds as fellow combatants. Their comments about other partners such as Iraqis and Afghanis was....less than glowing.

    Trump is playing to a chunk of his base here, the ones with the old-style USA "isolationist" mentality. That part of his base would like us out of NATO, out of the UN, and more or less take the stance of bringing all military forces back to US sovereign territory. They tend to think that the rest of the world should be allowed to 'muck' off on its own. Not sure what Trump's personal thoughts are on this issue, but then again I think the cornerstone of his view of foreign policy is that he, the great deal maker, can solve anything -- even though he doesn't know crap over shinola about it.
    "The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Any military folk of my acquaintance were always complimentary in their mentions of Kurds as fellow combatants. Their comments about other partners such as Iraqis and Afghanis was....less than glowing.

    Trump is playing to a chunk of his base here, the ones with the old-style USA "isolationist" mentality. That part of his base would like us out of NATO, out of the UN, and more or less take the stance of bringing all military forces back to US sovereign territory. They tend to think that the rest of the world should be allowed to 'muck' off on its own. Not sure what Trump's personal thoughts are on this issue, but then again I think the cornerstone of his view of foreign policy is that he, the great deal maker, can solve anything -- even though he doesn't know crap over shinola about it.
    If it were playing to the named base he wouldn't be sending more troops to Saudi Arabia than he is removing from Syria (and who aren't even coming back stateside yet, just redeploying to Iraq).

    Smart money maintains that Trump is not playing to anyone because he has no coherent strategy, he's either a stupid coward who got played by Erdogan or he's a stupid venal coward who got played by Erdogan to keep the checks from his Istanbul towers flowing.
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    Agree as to no coherent strategy.

    Troops to Saudi are easy. The media is not interested so Trump can prop up the Saud family even more than the last three occupants.


    If incompetence at foreign policy were impeachable, he'd have been out of office for a year or more already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    If incompetence at foreign policy were impeachable, he'd have been out of office for a year or more already.
    By that theory nothing Trump does is impeachable so long as he is not in fact impeached!

    That's some catch there.


    EDIT: Holy crap, the US today gave Turkey everything it wanted and is enabling it to ethnically cleanse Northern Syria in peace (almost verbatim from Trump's words). My pop culture reference stock fails me, but this is diabolical.

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    What Turkey is getting now is they are not going to have to kill millions of people.
    The infamous letter he had sent to "tough man" Erdogan the previous day to achieve peace in our time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    The infamous letter he had sent to "tough man" Erdogan the previous day to achieve peace in our time.

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    He writes like a primitive bot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Agree as to no coherent strategy.

    Troops to Saudi are easy. The media is not interested so Trump can prop up the Saud family even more than the last three occupants.


    If incompetence at foreign policy were impeachable, he'd have been out of office for a year or more already.
    As I thought, it is confirmed that US troops withdrew from Syria only to be redeployed to Iraq to "continue operations against the Islamic State group" and "to protect the oil fields."

    Meanwhile, an update on the reinforcements to Saudi Arabia:

    "Secretary Esper informed Saudi Crown Prince and Minister of Defense Muhammad bin Salman this morning of the additional troop deployment to assure and enhance the defense of Saudi Arabia," Chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathon Hoffman said in a statement Friday. "Taken together with other deployments, this constitutes an additional 3,000 forces that have been extended or authorized within the last month."
    The US has increased the deployment of forces in the region by 14,000 since May.
    So in light of a deliberate decision to withhold available protection from Kurdish allies while abandoning US outposts built with taxpayer money to the Syrians and Russians, this Syrian business is indeed "Top 10 Anime Betrayals"-tier. All those who protested that Trump could not yet be the worst president in American history because he had not instigated a foreign policy catastrophe on par with the Iraq War will be monitoring the geopolitical consequences of this move for years ahead I'm sure.

    Videos on Kurds not liking Americans so much anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    ...Videos on Kurds not liking Americans so much anymore.
    Hard to blame them. Between the miscommunication of 1991, the inactivity on Article 140, and this last episode, we have managed to malf them over three times in a single generation.

    We should have stood up a Kurdistan in 2005 and told both Turkey and the remainder of Iraq to pound sand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    Hard to blame them. Between the miscommunication of 1991, the inactivity on Article 140, and this last episode, we have managed to malf them over three times in a single generation.

    We should have stood up a Kurdistan in 2005 and told both Turkey and the remainder of Iraq to pound sand.
    Don't forget the time when the US consciously lied and blamed the Iranians instead of Saddam for the Halabja massacre. In geopolitics, there are no friends but the mountains.

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