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    tedious, Monty. tedious.

    there are hundreds of pages of this here on the backroom, and you wish me to recap all this on behalf of all the people with all their various motivations on why they are so foolish as to hold views which you do not share.

    tedious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    tedious, Monty. tedious.

    there are hundreds of pages of this here on the backroom, and you wish me to recap all this on behalf of all the people with all their various motivations on why they are so foolish as to hold views which you do not share.

    tedious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    tedious, Monty. tedious.

    there are hundreds of pages of this here on the backroom, and you wish me to recap all this on behalf of all the people with all their various motivations on why they are so foolish as to hold views which you do not share.

    tedious.
    I've read many of those tedious pages, but I'm not skimming them to see if you've got answers to what I'm asking. They don't to my recollection. If you don't want to spend time recapitulating something you think is already out there, that's perfectly reasonable - there are no obligations here. But it's also reasonable for me to speak from my awareness.

    Recently the Canadian government expanded its price controls on pharmaceuticals in order to reduce their ongoing problem with expensive drugs (the Canadian Medicare does not cover prescription drugs). To my mind such a policy is justifiable insofar as it is a basically costless measure to reduce the burden of healthcare on Canadians, several millions of whom practice rationing or non-compliance with treatment due to cost. It's not that complicated; but no one can say it's merely because I love price controls.

    From all the reasoning on your priorities that you're revealing, what can I even tell? That you want a state capable of getting its hands dirty, but not of getting them clean?
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    A kind reminder to all of the patrons here - personal attacks are under no form tolerated. No way, nada, nothing. This is the Backroom and tempers flare, but once we step into personal accusations the banhammer will fly swiftly.

    I kindly encourage you take a step back for reflection, a little breather of sorts, and to continue the political discussions afterwards.

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    Some final notes on the UK election.

    Take a look at these amazing vote demographics (by age).

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    Some impressive bias from major media against Labour. Idaho, do you have any comment on this?

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    Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clinton’s coverage was focused on scandals, while Trump’s coverage focused on his core issues.

    Meanwhile, I belatedly learned that between 1833 and 2015 the British government was paying off loans related to compensation to slave-owners for abolition of slavery.

    That is to say, nearly two centuries in hock for reparations to slavers. This is the part where I get flashing mad. Not at the reparations, per se. For all I know the government did what it had to do. Ideally the following would have been the proper response to any demands for compensation (actually highly apropos video reference) -



    But maybe there just wasn't sufficient power to impose such a resolution. If that were the case, reparations to slavers would be tolerable as a compromise to get things done, despite the the long-term fiscal imposition onto the public. The maddening part is the parallel dismissal of reparations to the slaves themselves, the actual victims who of course were in no socioeconomic position to demand concessions from anyone. Apparently it's always a matter of who can get away with what (flashback to Great Recession stimulus).


    Probably unrelated to anything at all, I liked this article on conservatism.

    https://www.dissentmagazine.org/arti...an-progressive

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    Johnson rejects Sturgeon's indyref2 demand

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    A very good response IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Johnson quoting promises. Only in politics eh?

    I think that England should have a referendum whether we want to subsidise the outliers. France is no longer a Catholic who will invade from the North. We can still be friends in the Commonwealth, of course.

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    Incidentally I wasnt sure if I should put it here or in the UK politics thread, seeing as both were around the same level of buried, probably should have put it there in retrospect.
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    Interesting perspective on those who lost seats.

    https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politi...st-their-seats
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