UK General Election 2019

[Idaho]

It's Corbyn the Brexiteer whom I hate. But for him, whom you, Littlegrizzly, etc. idolise, I'd be voting Labour, as would be many others who are now turning elsewhere.

Yes I idolise him. Therefore everything is my fault.

This is an excellent example of how politics and political discussion has gone down the toilet.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yes I idolise him. Therefore everything is my fault.

This is an excellent example of how politics and political discussion has gone down the toilet.

Welcome to my life.

[Idaho]

This level of debate suits some people. It suits those people who already have the money and power and don't want any scrutiny.

I have a plumber friend who is a classic working class Tory. He is brexit and anti immigration. Thinks that socialism is some crazy thing that will make him change the colour of his bin bags and give free medicine to Somalians. He works long weeks, rents his home and has no pension. He is heading, not just for poverty in his old age, but destitution. And his son is unlikely to be able to get to university or other higher institution of learning, and hence will also grow up poor. The same is true for the MAJORITY of British people. But they just don't care about it. They care about Brussels politicians or Latvians.

Rees mogg won't answer questions about his off shore money and the cabinet office won't investigate. These are multi millionaires in charge who have clearly benefited from our society to an extraordinary degree, who are twisting the rules to make sure they remain the elite. And idiots who are essentially the shit on his shoes, cheer him on.

[Furunculus]

as an accidental follow on to idaho's post above - an interesting view on the priorities of the C1/C2 demographic:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b02947481682c0

[rory_20_uk]

Yes I idolise him. Therefore everything is my fault.

This is an excellent example of how politics and political discussion has gone down the toilet.

I have committed the crime of holding a view that Johnson holds for political expediency.

Therefore I wholeheartedly support everything he has and will do.

[Idaho]

I have committed the crime of holding a view that Johnson holds for political expediency.

Therefore I wholeheartedly support everything he has and will do.

Johnson is 100% about expediency. The expediency of himself. I can't remember a more self centered PM. Blair perhaps, but he at least spread the benefits around in his messianic zeal. Johnson would render us all down for tallow.

[Pannonian]

Anti-EU articles disseminated by such Kremlin-sanctioned media outlets as RT and Sputnik in the run-up to the referendum campaign are cited in the report. Social media analysis that was presented to the digital, culture, media and sport committee last year revealed that articles published by the Russian sites had four times more social media impact before the Brexit vote than the official leave campaigns.

More than 260 articles posted by RT and Sputnik in the six months prior to the referendum were shared so widely on Twitter that they could have been seen up to 134m times.

By comparison, tweets from Vote Leave and Leave.eu — the two biggest pro-Brexit campaign groups — generated potential impressions of 33m and 14m.

Intelligence officials who have either seen or been briefed on the document said: “The government’s refusal to publish the report has been very damaging to the British intelligence community, because it suggests that we have something major to cover up.”

Sunday Times article on report Johnson is refusing to publish. Intelligence people want it published.

Senior Whitehall source: “Downing Street are concerned that if this emerges it would raise questions about the validity of the referendum result, which is the central issue in the general election campaign & could compromise the Tories pitch to the electorate to get Brexit done.”

Tom Harper is the Home Affairs correspondent for the Sunday Times.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Johnson is 100% about expediency. The expediency of himself. I can't remember a more self centered PM. Blair perhaps, but he at least spread the benefits around in his messianic zeal. Johnson would render us all down for tallow.

I'm starting to think both Johnson and Corbyn suffer from some sort of fundamental personality disorder. In the former case Johnson seems to believe what he says when he says it, but what he believes changes at his convenience. In the latter case Corbyn seems to believe that anyone who agrees with his views on a given topic is above suspicion, hence surrounding himself with left-leaning antisemites.

That's my most charitable interpretation of their characters.

Jo Swinson, on the other hand has simply gone back on what she said previously - having actively campaigned for a Brexit referendum before it was even a practical possibility she now openly calls for the annulling of the result.

[Pannonian]

I'm starting to think both Johnson and Corbyn suffer from some sort of fundamental personality disorder. In the former case Johnson seems to believe what he says when he says it, but what he believes changes at his convenience. In the latter case Corbyn seems to believe that anyone who agrees with his views on a given topic is above suspicion, hence surrounding himself with left-leaning antisemites.

That's my most charitable interpretation of their characters.

Jo Swinson, on the other hand has simply gone back on what she said previously - having actively campaigned for a Brexit referendum before it was even a practical possibility she now openly calls for the annulling of the result.

That's the policy if the Lib Dems manage to get a majority. If the votes change to the extent that the Lib Dems gain a majority in the Commons, wouldn't you say that they'll have the mandate for it? They got 7.4% of the vote and 12 MPs last time, and to be in a position to implement that policy they'll need a net gain of at least +314 this time round.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's the policy if the Lib Dems manage to get a majority. If the votes change to the extent that the Lib Dems gain a majority in the Commons, wouldn't you say that they'll have the mandate for it? They got 7.4% of the vote and 12 MPs last time, and to be in a position to implement that policy they'll need a net gain of at least +314 this time round.

Oh come on. Even if the Lib-Dems get an absolute majority they won't get the same percentage of the vote as in the referendum, and the election probably won't have as high turnout.

So, no, no mandate for overturning the referendum.

If you don't like the results of referndums you shouldn't call for them to be held. Swinson argued the British people themselves deserved a say - now she argues the opposite.

[Pannonian]

Oh come on. Even if the Lib-Dems get an absolute majority they won't get the same percentage of the vote as in the referendum, and the election probably won't have as high turnout.

So, no, no mandate for overturning the referendum.

If you don't like the results of referndums you shouldn't call for them to be held. Swinson argued the British people themselves deserved a say - now she argues the opposite.

So what kind of policies does a government with a majority have a mandate for? And if a government does not have a majority, does the policy still have a mandate?

[Idaho]

...In the latter case Corbyn seems to believe that anyone who agrees with his views on a given topic is above suspicion, hence surrounding himself with left-leaning antisemites.

Surrounding himself with anti Semites? Not just over egging the pudding, but adding custard, mayonnaise and extra eggs. While there are some loons in the party, the whole thing had been deliberately orchestrated by people who really care about:

- Israel holding the authority to discuss and condemn and control all information and discussion related to Jews
- politicians who are avowed centrists
- perhaps a distant third is caring about the issue of anti semitism.

And if we are targeting anti semitism in the political arena, why is it just the labour party? The right has long enjoyed the nods, winks and whispers about Jews. The far right, now co-opted into the brexiteers, are vociferous "Rothschild/nwo" nutters.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Surrounding himself with anti Semites? Not just over egging the pudding, but adding custard, mayonnaise and extra eggs. While there are some loons in the party, the whole thing had been deliberately orchestrated by people who really care about:

- Israel holding the authority to discuss and condemn and control all information and discussion related to Jews
- politicians who are avowed centrists
- perhaps a distant third is caring about the issue of anti semitism.

And if we are targeting anti semitism in the political arena, why is it just the labour party? The right has long enjoyed the nods, winks and whispers about Jews. The far right, now co-opted into the brexiteers, are vociferous "Rothschild/nwo" nutters.

Oh come now, Ken Livingstone, that guy from the NEC claiming the whole thing was a Jewish cover-up and he's "never" seen any antisemitism in the part, the "antiracism" activisit who actually got thrown out for being antisemitic.

All Corbyn allies.

To say nothing of his links to Hamas.

[Idaho]

Oh come now, Ken Livingstone, that guy from the NEC claiming the whole thing was a Jewish cover-up and he's "never" seen any antisemitism in the part, the "antiracism" activisit who actually got thrown out for being antisemitic.

All Corbyn allies.

To say nothing of his links to Hamas.

They were/are Corbyn supporters. Not sure that's the same as an ally.

As for Hamas... That's a while other thread that never ends.