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    As a political actor I wouldnt want him anywhere near actual power or influence after being the jackass to give us the maybot for three years, Boris himself I would think would be extra wary of him.

    As a person, I dunno, dont know much outside of his political context.
    Do you prefer your politicians sound or competent?

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    I dont think he is either, I am left ever wondering what madness drove his actions in the leadership election.
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    I dont think he is either, I am left ever wondering what madness drove his actions in the leadership election.
    I'm not saying he's any good. I'm saying that, among the Tory frontbench, he's the only one who can pretend to be good at what he does. All the others, the PM included, are so clearly incompetent that it's staggering how they've managed to get these posts.

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    I wouldnt know, most experience I have of the Tory front bench was under may and she dragged everyone down. The ones that stood out to me for being individually incompetent were the like of Rudd and Hammond, the ones now either on the back benches or on thier way out of parliament alltogether.

    Also something tells me our definitions of incompetence might not be exactly the same, I dont like declaring what I dont agree with ideologically as incompetence; if they intended to mess up something I value can it be called incompetence that it is so messed up?

    It makes judging ones like Blair difficult, when you judge by thier later revealed intentions their performance looks distressingly close to competence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I wouldnt know, most experience I have of the Tory front bench was under may and she dragged everyone down. The ones that stood out to me for being individually incompetent were the like of Rudd and Hammond, the ones now either on the back benches or on thier way out of parliament alltogether.

    Also something tells me our definitions of incompetence might not be exactly the same, I dont like declaring what I dont agree with ideologically as incompetence; if they intended to mess up something I value can it be called incompetence that it is so messed up?

    It makes judging ones like Blair difficult, when you judge by thier later revealed intentions their performance looks distressingly close to competence.
    Explain Boris Johnson. Show me how he's competent.

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    Explain Boris Johnson. Show me how he's competent.
    Reminds me of Bill Clinton. Clinton was known to lie when needed (frequently) but the media so loved him for how interestingly he spun his tales that it became a hallmark of his style. From what I read in some articles, Johnson garners that same fascinated amazement with what he is willing to say. To the extent that prevarication is part of effective leadership...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Explain Boris Johnson. Show me how he's competent.
    He's PM, despite the big hitters of his party attempting extreme action to prevent it, and now many of those same hitters are out altogether. With only one change he's got people accepting a form of brexit that everyone hates as inevitable, there's a certain amount of skill behind such achievments (depressing though the latter might be)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    He's PM, despite the big hitters of his party attempting extreme action to prevent it, and now many of those same hitters are out altogether. With only one change he's got people accepting a form of brexit that everyone hates as inevitable, there's a certain amount of skill behind such achievments (depressing though the latter might be)
    Anything about governing a country?

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