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    And Boris Johnson demonstrably lies about the key issue that this election has been called on, with his claims contradicting what his Brexit secretary has already said on the subject. Will any Brexiteers care? Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    And Boris Johnson demonstrably lies about the key issue that this election has been called on, with his claims contradicting what his Brexit secretary has already said on the subject. Will any Brexiteers care? Nope.
    What do you suggest those supporting Brexit do? Is there an alternative mechanism to complete Brexit?

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    What do you suggest those supporting Brexit do?
    Fuck off and die?
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    i note with some amusement that the paradox of trying to appeal to the 'working-class' and the 'metro-iberal' is proving too much for labour, with support crashing in the north west and yorkshire.
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    Two ongoing investigations/reports that may be damaging to the Tories have been postponed until after the election. One concerning possible financial corruption regarding a personal adviser. The other, ironically concerning Russian influence on the 2016 referendum and which has been oked by the intelligence people and is ready for publication, will not be published until after the election. This is what you will be voting for folks.

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    ISTR one or two members here saying that collusion with foreign powers was tantamount to treason. What do these members think of the PM postponing the publication of a report on Russian influence over the 2016 referendum?

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    will they get brexit done?
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    **waits for carol cadwolladr to get all flustered over this dark-campaigning technique**

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9195791.html

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    oopsie, someone has a problem!

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/...64719729397761

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    Guess thats it, we're locked in to a term of boris, good and ill. I'd cross my fingers but.. I am just too burned .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    Guess thats it, we're locked in to a term of boris, good and ill. I'd cross my fingers but.. I am just too burned .
    Wasn't that what you chose?

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    I thought I would get what I chose in August... and 2017... and 2016....
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    Brexit party makes it move. They will not target the seats of sitting Tories.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50377396
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyblades View Post
    I thought I would get what I chose in August... and 2017... and 2016....
    I hope you will be happy with the Johnson government that you will elect this time round. Presumably the other Leavers here will be voting the same way to facilitate what they want.

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    there is literally no-one else i could vote for:

    labour is the very antithesis of my views.
    lib-dems are close if they were truer to classical liberalism, but they're enabling nationalist parties and I am a unionist. and nuts of brexit.
    the nationalist parties are (in wales and scotland) are bin juice.
    brexit party are of no interest.
    greens are a bunch of useless virtue-signallers.

    who does that leave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    I hope you will be happy with the Johnson government that you will elect this time round. Presumably the other Leavers here will be voting the same way to facilitate what they want.
    No, not happy. But then I wasn't impressed with Blair's wars and Cameroon and May seemed to achieve very little of real substance. Who do you want to run the country?

    Please can you lay out an alternative method of Brexit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    there is literally no-one else i could vote for:

    labour is the very antithesis of my views.
    lib-dems are close if they were truer to classical liberalism, but they're enabling nationalist parties and I am a unionist. and nuts of brexit.
    the nationalist parties are (in wales and scotland) are bin juice.
    brexit party are of no interest.
    greens are a bunch of useless virtue-signallers.

    who does that leave?
    Are you ignoring the fact that the majority of Tory members, ie. the people who chose Johnson as PM, would accept the break up of the UK if that was the price of Brexit? In this forum the Brexiteers have largely been of a "Whatever will be will be" sentiment on this, whereas I've been strongly speaking up for the continuation of the union. A Tory government implementing Brexit will in practice mean the break up of the UK, especially as Johnson has agreed a deal that would split NI away from GB (hence even the DUP's opposition to it).

    If you want the union and an examination of Brexit, perhaps you should demand that Brexit only goes ahead when all the nations have a majority for it. Right now, England for certain and perhaps Wales may still have a majority for it, but Scotland and Northern Ireland certainly don't. If Scotland, Northern Ireland and maybe even Wales have a majority against, but England has a majority for, do you still call yourself a unionist if you want something that the rest of the UK does not? Do you still call yourself a unionist when, as a result of this, and as predicted by others, the other nations want to move away from the UK? You like the idea of aligning with the US. Scotland likes aligning with the EU in general, while NI likes aligning with the RoI in particular. They are happy within the union as it currently is. You want to break this apart, yet you call yourself a unionist.

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    No, not happy. But then I wasn't impressed with Blair's wars and Cameroon and May seemed to achieve very little of real substance. Who do you want to run the country?

    Please can you lay out an alternative method of Brexit?

    You won. We lost. Now keep your promises, starting with the 350 million per week for the NHS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    You won. We lost. Now keep your promises, starting with the 350 million per week for the NHS.
    Still the same tired old lines / lies. This has even gone to court and even they threw out the petulant whining.

    Leave won. So... yeah. Get on with it.

    Would you like to have a go asking the simple question of how this is to be achieved? You are quick with problems and pretty thin on solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Are you ignoring the fact that the majority of Tory members, ie. the people who chose Johnson as PM, would accept the break up of the UK if that was the price of Brexit? In this forum the Brexiteers have largely been of a "Whatever will be will be" sentiment on this, whereas I've been strongly speaking up for the continuation of the union. A Tory government implementing Brexit will in practice mean the break up of the UK, especially as Johnson has agreed a deal that would split NI away from GB (hence even the DUP's opposition to it).

    If you want the union and an examination of Brexit, perhaps you should demand that Brexit only goes ahead when all the nations have a majority for it. Right now, England for certain and perhaps Wales may still have a majority for it, but Scotland and Northern Ireland certainly don't. If Scotland, Northern Ireland and maybe even Wales have a majority against, but England has a majority for, do you still call yourself a unionist if you want something that the rest of the UK does not? Do you still call yourself a unionist when, as a result of this, and as predicted by others, the other nations want to move away from the UK? You like the idea of aligning with the US. Scotland likes aligning with the EU in general, while NI likes aligning with the RoI in particular. They are happy within the union as it currently is. You want to break this apart, yet you call yourself a unionist.
    This is a good example of how not all Leavers are the same(!)

    I would like the union to continue. Rather like if one is married one would like one's partner to stay. But if they want to leave then surely they should be allowed to do so.

    Both Northern Ireland and Scotland have been bribed for years with money to not cause a fuss - this is not a new problem and frankly the process already started under Devolution in exactly the same way it did with Canada, Australia and New Zealand when they regained Dominion status.

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