04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[ladd]

agree merl1n is posting well today

what you think abiut cuth dya?

[Insaner]

It looks like you can't save more than 7 multiquotes at a time here? uhhhh

[dyachei]

I'm still reading through the thread, I've had a busy few days, but my impressions so far:

Zack's opening was strong, but that's to be expected, Zack's a strong player. I'm hesitant to prematurely say he's town, but everything points in that direction. He spews sunshine and rainbows.

Empoof seems in a similar vein to Zack, nothing gives me pause about their play so far. Though I'm not familiar with Empoof's play in general, but from my perspective it's all been good so far.

I'm okay with merl1n, Insaner, and Logic overall. I don't particularly think Insaner's "I'm townier, answer my question." was productive, but to each their own. Other than that I haven't read anything from Insaner that would make me think negatively. merl1n just seems pure and engaged, it's refreshing, nothing negative to say about any of their contributions honestly. Logic's opening was meh, but his recent postings were pretty good I thought, and that makes me think he's town.

I agree with Zack's meta read of Barto's behavior, generally I'd expect Barto to vote Insaner there. It probably doesn't mean much, but it seemed cautious to me, which is unexpected from Barto. I might be reading too much into it though.

GH's opening bothered me initially, a bit generic maybe? or just fell flat with me I'm not sure exactly how to describe it. Plus his interaction with Zack about Insaner seemed odd to me. I generally agree with what he posted this morning, so I'm a bit torn overall about how to feel.

Monty is an enigma. I'm not sure how to feel about him currently.

I don't have much else, but I'll continue reading.

tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.

My reads on people who I don't have much or any experience playing with are extremely tentative. I'm not terribly confident nor is my track record terribly good in such cases. I have trouble reading generally in mafia games, so there's that. What I'm trying to say is I'm bad

he even talks about that here

Vote: El Barto

good vote though

Don't feel like that's a great reason to remove Monty from the list, if you want to be thorough.

but again, he's afraid to clear people

Feel like Egix or Choxorn should be lynched today. Choxorn's hard to read in my experience, and I don't know anything about Egix. I read Choxorn's iso yesterday and wasn't impressed I guess you'd say and what you've posted of Egix doesn't look good.

I'm not sure what to make of ladd at this point. I want to give them some amount of credit for putting the damning vote on zelda, but looking at the vote count at the end makes that hard for me. I wouldn't vote them anytime soon though.

Felt like merl1n was good on my initial read through, and haven't really seen anything to change my mind so far other than being off the two main wagons yesterday.

Don't know anything about Newyn and nothing has stood out to me about them so far.

I'm 90% certain Logic is town. I'm pretty alright with saying you, Zack, and Insaner are town.

I feel like Cuth is playing different from what I remember about their play, so it's up in the air.

I have no read on Dya, other than zelda vote is good.

Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction

I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.



This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.

But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people

[Csargo]

tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.



he even talks about that here



good vote though



but again, he's afraid to clear people



Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction



But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people

I can't really argue against the hedgy af, because it's true. It comes from a lack of confidence in my reads because I haven't played in a while.

I'm not sure what you mean by I'm afraid to clear people? I don't trust Monty in general, but I think he's town now from what I've seen today. In the post you called safe I said I was alright with calling Zack, GH, and Insaner town, which is basically I wouldn't vote there outside of extraordinary circumstances or they really took a nosedive with their posts. That's probably the closest I'd come to clearing anybody. Because now I kinda want to vote GH.

Cool. My feelings are safe.

I'm a bundle of confusing.

You are the first person to not call me rand/null this game, congrats!

El barto is usually more carefree posting in my experience with him as town, but like I said in the first post you quoted he seemed cautious. I didn't really have anything else and that really didn't seem like much at the time.

[Csargo]

Vote:Cuth

[ladd]

cuth, what did you like about monty posts that made you soften on the wolf read there?

[ladd]

alright my time is up

see you idk when, I'll try to pop in when I can

[Choxorn]

@Choxorn

I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive

why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?

who are the wolves?

I mean that's pretty much it, I'm inactive, which leads to playing like crap

Idk, Egix? Cuth? Maybe Csargo?

kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment



he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto



and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.

I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it

My switch on ladd was based largely on the way the wagons played out at EoD and seeing pzelda and Barto flip scum. I saw ladd as maybe a little scummy yesterday but if he's scum then the top 3 wagons day 1 were all scum which seems highly unlikely to me.

[dyachei]

tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.



he even talks about that here



good vote though



but again, he's afraid to clear people



Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction



But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people

@Insaner


he gives himself an out for that barto read - basically gives himself a way to escape the responsibility of voting/reading barto as scum. I don't think it's all that clearing. I talked about it in the above post.

[dyachei]

like maybe don't assume that there's nothing of value in my posts and actually read them. I already discussed csargo, discussed cuth.

[Montmorency]

PART I

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

*harrumphs furiously*

Why did you ask that question, specifically?

Future background information. Chekhov's gun?

Logic's reads on ladd

Don't really have much to say here, I think ladd is town. Logic's allowed to be wrong.

It's not so much the content of the ladd case but Logic "taking potshots" relative to the game state. Maybe a more restricted scope of engagement.

I had a light gut read on Empoof.

What was the night kill challenge about?

@Montmorency

The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.

Oh yeah, I remember. Odd timing to drop that in its own post after the fact though!

I'm not sure why you've picked this particular point to shade, as I don't understand a town or a scum motivation for it.

It's just an aside. You know how I like my asides.

Only town reads were consensus: TRUE
Shaded you and Cuth: TRUE
Voted LAdd with hard attacks: TRUE
Consistent with Logic's scum meta: FALSE

Well, if you say so? Eventually I will study the archive. One thing that gives me pause, Logic, is that when we were in 2018 Hydra and you played as LogiCzar, and I was mislynched D1, you were like the only player I correctly scumread. Technically two players, but... And I can't quite TR you right now.

C'mon Monty. You should know this. You saw how I was in chess and how hopelessly flawed my scumgame is.

*grumbling intensifies*

Just thinking about the ways this game still can be lost. With both wolves being already caught and all that.

?

I'm vt btw

Voice and vote, voice and vote!

i just want to note, for the record, that "frozen" seems a really, really, tunnely way to look at my posts today

and maybe it's just because i've not had a ton of time to post in and so it feels like i've said a lot more than i have without that context

but i certainly don't think i've been inactive or like

giving up/deflating nearly like i would as a wolf in this situation even

pretty sure i've made, like, a pretty reasonable chunk of posts/words this phase

OK, I went too far. You're not that out of it.

Town
Zack
Fable
Insaner

Choxorn
Choxorn

Probably town
Logic
Montmorency
ladd

Low town
Cuth
merl1n

idk my bff jill
Csargo
dya
Newyn

Mafia
Egix

[...]

My dropping Logic down a category is more of a holistic sense of how I feel the game going more than any post or posts he's made. I've noticed in general quite a bit of friction between the three GITPers (Logic, Cuth, and Newyn) in terms of trying to find each other in the game, a friction that I do not believe would be as present if all three were town. My having Logic at least one category above the other two people speaks to how I still feel about him, but it's a feeling I can't quite shake.

I thought being unable to lock Logic D1 is fatal for GH.

Choxorn is his own category. If he's actually a tracker, the mafia can't afford to leave him alive indefinitely. If he's not, then we'll know.

What if he's a Mafia tracker? I just don't believe a town tracker drops in at the beginning of D2 in this gamestate and says 'Hi, I'm a tracker, here's my first result.' I keep thinking "refuge in audacity," did someone say that in this game? Just keep it in the back of your head.

[Montmorency]

PART II

i

really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why

there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read

and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past

but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little

maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows

Hmm...

This is the kind of post I most strongly associate with town-Cuth, but I'm not sure why, or what to do with that.

Also, I doubt there are any 3p in this game

why

this is the post that made me think "yeah logic is a villager"

"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this

Huh. GH said the literal exact same thing today (search my post). Seriously, does that mean something?

...

Wait, what the fuck? This is what happens when you construct the post out of order. Forget it.

I guess there is an outside chance of cuth/newyn/csargo or choxorn chicanery but I just don't really believe it

I still think it's egix + dya, just like I did during the night and at SOD

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

now's the part where village implodes on itself after the hot start and rams home three mislynches in a row and my reads are butt

Part of this post will stand the test of time.

hey egix

when you claimed, did yiu remember it by heart or check yiur rc?

Voice and vote. Voice and vote!

the thing with cuth is that I think his posts are more focused on trying to look villagery than actually solving the game

Like all his reads have some kind of nuance that just looks overthought and fake

Stuff like "I can't explain it but it just feels that way", "I should have a read on him but I don't", etc..

Isn't that exactly his town meta? y/n

does ne1 have strong opinions on csargo

atm he's k.

Ftr I'm actually a vt. Don't let anybody convince you otherwise!

What do you mean? Someone is going to report a role scan on you? Weird comment, along with the one about "both" mafia.

like maybe don't assume that there's nothing of value in my posts and actually read them. I already discussed csargo, discussed cuth.

i dun like

[ladd]

@Insaner


he gives himself an out for that barto read - basically gives himself a way to escape the responsibility of voting/reading barto as scum. I don't think it's all that clearing. I talked about it in the above post.

in his defense, he does vote Barto

idk I just kinda have a soft spot for people who buss and do ~nothing with it cause it's just not a good play a lot of the times

sometimes wolves do it but generally it comes from the villagers that the wolves need to mislynch

I am still pretty null on csargo regardless. Do you have a read on egix?

[Insaner]

@Insaner


he gives himself an out for that barto read - basically gives himself a way to escape the responsibility of voting/reading barto as scum. I don't think it's all that clearing. I talked about it in the above post.

Yeah and then he doesn't use that out and votes him lol.

[ladd]

also when I asked you about why you chose to ISO the people ini the order you did, I was more talking about why out of the null you decided to went with csargo (or whoever, I forgot), cuth second, etc..

sorry if it wasn't clear

I thought you'd ISO egix first since he was the hottest topic and the player most people agreed was a wolf

[ladd]

also when I asked you about why you chose to ISO the people ini the order you did, I was more talking about why out of the null you decided to went with csargo (or whoever, I forgot), cuth second, etc..

sorry if it wasn't clear

I thought you'd ISO egix first since he was the hottest topic and the player most people agreed was a wolf

went= go*

went with csagro first*

not my best written sentence

[dyachei]

@ladd

I went with people with smaller numbers of posts first

[dyachei]

Yeah and then he doesn't use that out and votes him lol.

and I talked about that, too. But he may have felt like there were enough people on barto to bus at that point. I just dont like the way he hedges a ton of his reads

[dyachei]

agree merl1n is posting well today

what you think abiut cuth dya?

he's someone I consistently have a hard time reading and I usually let others do it. I'll be looking at his posts hopefully in a bit.

[merl1n]

can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?

[dyachei]

can you elaborate on your logic read dyachei?

don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real

[GeneralHankerchief]

don't think GH would lie about it as either alignment. So it's probably just real

I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?

[dyachei]

I just lied about it the game we just got out of though...?

I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there

[GeneralHankerchief]

I must have missed that because I thought you just *didn't* lie about it there

I called him mafia and pushed for his (mis)lynch in the hydra game.

[Insaner]

Don't mind me, this took a while to fetch so I'm just saving it here for my own perusal so it doesn't get lost

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Vote: Csargo

Sup everyone.

Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.

Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.

Also to honor this site's heritage I'm going to exclusively use townspeak.

Calling things town/mafia/scum etc instead of "w*lf/v*llager" etc.

Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)

If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?

I don't mind Insaner so far.

oh boy here we go again

Talk to me about why? Seems like he's just kind of easing into the flow of things and trying to dig into something he's not sure about.

Checking in, haven't read since last night, won't be able to until tomorrow. Apologies.

Morning.

Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:

Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.

Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.

dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.

I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.

Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)

Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.

I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.

> "This is more of a 'I like Monty for town' read than a 'I like Barto for scum' read"
> GH is totally holding onto that Barto scumread amirite

I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

Confirming this.

Taking a few hours off to get my head straight and then I'll dive in here.

Logic's town, consider this locked in.

Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.

ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.

I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.

Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:



It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.

Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.

If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:

Logic
Fable

Zack
Insaner

Monty
ladd

--- town line ---

Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix

Empoof
Choxorn

--- null/idk line ---

merl1n

El Barto

Not actually sure how much I like El Barto at the bottom but I don't really have the energy to try to find a different non-Monty lynch right now in my null territory.

Vote: El Barto

Ok.

Vote: PZelda

Honestly, I'd probably describe it as Not Your Town Game and then go into the process of describing your town game.

Straight up, I'm a bit annoyed that Insaner was like "I HAVE A PERFECT READ ON PZELDA AND HE IS ALWAYS MAFIA HERE" and then immediately walked it back to "well I've read him right 2 out of 3 games" but whatever, riding with this for now.

Ah no, Voxx and I were DMing about something at the time and he asked me to do one. I forgot I even made it until this very moment.

Consider the alliance sealed.

EST+1 I believe, maybe 2.

Last I was aware he was in South America.

I've read the pzelda iso for myself and am officially signing off on that wagon beyond "I'll sheep Insaner on it". My main problem can be best summarized by this post:



There is no attempt at following up on this. There is no hint of an attempt at following up on this. There's clarifications, a good bit about talking about MU people and meta and anything besides actual reads and takes on people, but there's very little actual solving spirit, and in my experience people making statements similar to the bolded and going absolutely nowhere with them is a pretty reliable scumtell.

ISOing is similar to POG, dya.

Gotta go back to the Gameroom index, click on the number of posts, and click on the person's postcount in the window that pops up. One of the sticky threads (the offsite guide) provides pictoral help.

Pretty much same.

Would feel kinda bad about Choxorn going down but that's mostly because I think I can get him with another day. Would certainly prefer him to ladd if it comes to it.

Got any mafia? Top town? Why?

Re: Choxorn

There's a concept about him on this set of communities (org, cfc, etc) called the Choxorn Line where anybody below his post count is officially labeled a slanker and anyone above him is ok.

Which is a roundabout way of saying yeah he's kind of a lowposter regardless of alignment, which is part of why I'm somewhat gun-shy on going for him today. His actual post content is mildly concerning, but the volume is not. Not yet, anyway.

Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.

Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?

Did you see later on where I ISO'd pzelda and started scumreading him on my own?

Vote: Choxorn

Here, Insaner.

Click through to read the quote within.

NAI, I think.

Give him a day, I think.

Though if it ends up being you/him then I'm going for him.

Already planning the nightkill, eh.

I'm hopping off in a couple minutes back on pzelda, FYI.

I'm gonna laugh so hard when it's Choxorn and he flips something like "Mafia N1 ONLY vig".

Vote: pzelda

pzelda > choxorn >>>>>>> el barto >> ladd

in order of preference

Looks like the cavalry arrived just in time, team.

Feeling decent. Glad to be back here.

GL, here's hoping.