04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[Csargo]

I guess it isn't the fact that GH is giving Egix the benefit of the doubt itself but rather the contrast between how he started today ("Egix is always the lynch") and the sudden loss of conviction that is putting me off so much. Egix didn't make any towny posts in that time and GH didn't come up with any new suspects either so I don't understand where this change of heart is coming from.

Where are you seeing a loss of conviction? Am I just completely missing something here?

[Montmorency]

PART I

Prefatory statement: Have fun with your towncore guys but I've learned from painful experience that you shouldn't take them too rigidly or extensive. Many a successful town has been felled by complacency out of the early game. GH for one knows this well. Giving people until F3 never works because there's inevitably too much disruption in the meantime. I'm still lock town though. And I still have to produce wagonomics.

I'm about to go to bed, and while obviously we still have a long while to go before the day ends, I'd much rather prefer an Egix lynch here over a Choxorn one (or one for anybody else, but this post is talking about Choxorn specifically). This is partly because I think Egix has straight-up been scummier than Chox, partly because of various nightkill-related musings I've had that I'll share if I deem the time to be right. Somebody ping me about this tomorrow or Monday in case I forget to elaborate on it.

I don't know if you've done this yet, but I ping.

I don't think I can really defend how crappy I was yesterday- I'm busy IRL a lot and don't always pay enough attention and that turns into me being way too inactive.

Current thoughts: Zack is lock town, merl1n, Insaner, ladd, GH, and Fable are all likely town, lots of the thread looks somewhere between town and scum to me. Looks like lots of folks wanna lynch either me or Egix today based on how we acted yesterday, and I also thought he was suspicious yesterday- but I also tracked him doing nothing last night, which is far from clearing but is certainly a point in his favor.

Really need to read things a bit more to get a stronger idea of who's scummy, I'll get to that later but for now I need to go eat dinner.

Now, I'm not saying we should lynch Choxorn today but his unnecessary and jarring tracker claim makes me think the following, if you could hear my thoughts as I was stylistically representing myself reading them to you:

KILL CHOXORN

KILL HIM WITH FIRE

HE'S A MAFIA TRACKER

HE'S GONNA GO DEEP FOR GOD's SAKE SOMEONE DO SOMETHING

If he goes deep we're all dead

0. Tracker is almost as mafiatized a role as roleblocker.
1. There was no reason for Choxorn to make that claim in this gamestate.
2. Despite a tracker claim there's little reason to expect town-Chox to resolve by nightkill because, if he were town Mafia would have many other plausible targets - whom Choxorn could point to to excuse his own survival as scum-Chox.
3. Any Town PRs out there, blocking or investigative or whatever, get on Chox's rear tonight.

Choxorn is one of those players who can go deep UTR when his partners have been demolished. If only Renata were here.

But I'll let it slide today. Not tomorrow or any day after, but today - not you.

Tally:
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
3 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius,)
3 Ladd (Fable, Logic, Egix)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
2 PZelda (Insaner, GH)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)


Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo

This seems correct?

From 1.5 hour before EOD.

VERY INTERESTING

I am lock town my dudes

Love it when I'm lock town.

Vote: Cuth

[Montmorency]

PART II

Well since it looks like Egix has given up I suppose there's no use holding this back now. What I was gonna say is I think that Cuth is the last wolf based on the following quotes:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GH, Zack, and others should tell me if I'm right to notice that Cuth is more passive-aggressive lately. Is that real or is my meta busted?

lol

you don't say

This post sounds like caught scum.

also for post game credit, I had empoof as a PR

that's the thign that kinda makes me fear this game maybe not be super easy as we are thinking since after that EoD I feel empoof would be the nk only if choxorn is a wolf or if wolves are paying attention and PR read him as well

Can you explain what you mean? What does an Empoof NK have to do with Chox specifically being mafia?

I'm also chuckling at insaner's God read of capage now being correct 3 out of 4 games, which is literally just rand lol

How is 3/4 rand?

So, wanna get Choxorn, or not yet?

Also let's take a moment to acknowledge that I had the sickest soul read of all time

Renata soul read on Choxorn Representative Democracy - and then she and Cass nabbed Barto soon after.

But yeah, good job if you're town.

any ORGer has tips to read csargo?

Read the two mini games in 2018. In one he was scum, in the other he was town. My reads were switched though. There was also the Pokemon game in 2017 where (primarily) Zack nailed him for scum.

My career gut on him is probably ~rand in the end.

This post is so stupid

I don't really get it, but why is it stupid? Is merlin your partner?

I think merl1n wanting to hold me accountable for Capage flip shows he really had no clue he was going to flip wolf. His posting was super villagery even though his reads were very wrong by the looks of it. He's still in my top towns.

Yes. Merlin is mislynch reach goals for mafia IMO.

Insaner was willing to vote you, and the general impression I was getting was that other Monty voters might be moving off him (e.g. on to Zelda/Bart)

Who were the voters on me besides Zelda, Bart, and Cuth?

[ladd]

Can you explain what you mean? What does an Empoof NK have to do with Chox specifically being mafia?

empoof is a strong player, but in this game there are other strong players who are also villas

if chox is a villa, empoof didn't have the best EoD so it'd be weird to kill him over someone like zack or gh (who I personally thought was gonna get attacked tonight)

[Egix]

Who were the voters on me besides Zelda, Bart, and Cuth?

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

[ladd]

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

[Egix]

you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

[ladd]

Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

this is villagery, I am liking your posts today a lot more

can you link me a wolf game if possible?

[Fable]

Well, Insan is town unless he hellbussed, which I doubt.
Fable and Logic are still my pet townreads.
And Chox is probably just town, considering his claim.

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

uh oh .-.

[ladd]

uh oh .-.

ya

and he also had cuth/casargo/dya as the immediate PoE so this is not looking good

[merl1n]

egix reminds me of some1 that is just looking at their phone and not really paying attention to the game, but sometimes those ppl are just bad, too

[ladd]

I should feel great about the Egix lynch, almost all the evidence points to him and yet I am still not sure he is a wolf at all

maybe I am just making my life harder and it's that easy

[ladd]

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

this is what I liked the most about egix today and what is giving me pause on him despite his awful posts

he first said that he voted me because he felt I wa smore likely to go through than monty

but then when monty asks him a question, he "remembers" what was the actual reason (the one I am quoting)

idk, it just seems like such a weird thing to fake as a wolf

[Zack]

this is what I liked the most about egix today and what is giving me pause on him despite his awful posts

he first said that he voted me because he felt I wa smore likely to go through than monty

but then when monty asks him a question, he "remembers" what was the actual reason (the one I am quoting)

idk, it just seems like such a weird thing to fake as a wolf

maybe he didn't want to be on the same wagon as the other three wolves

[ladd]

maybe he didn't want to be on the same wagon as the other three wolves

ya I guess

tbh he didn't really strike me as the type of wolf that would have the balls to go after me esp since we played together before but who knows

[merl1n]

0. Tracker is almost as mafiatized a role as roleblocker.
1. There was no reason for Choxorn to make that claim in this gamestate.
2. Despite a tracker claim there's little reason to expect town-Chox to resolve by nightkill because, if he were town Mafia would have many other plausible targets - whom Choxorn could point to to excuse his own survival as scum-Chox.

i read the opening rule thing after part of it got quoted to me d1, and it said powers are randomized, so my understanding is that any role can be good or bad. i dont understand why you think #1 here? everyone had him and egix as the two ppl that looked the worst, and he had clarifying information potentially on both ppl

#2 also seems wrong bc if hes not killed and we narrow it down to only 1 bad left he is incredibly strong as a role. so he either has to clear ppl as bad or bads have to kill him or risk getting caught

with regards to #3, investigative seems fine but not blocking??? he can either catch a bad if good or has to target in who we want him to target as bad and be accountable for target selection/result

[merl1n]

open ? for ppl

is ladd some1 with good reputation?

the way i see it we had 4 options yesterday by the end: pzelda, el barto, ladd, and choxorn. bads knew that el barto and pzelda were both bad, so its important to consider that when looking through what happened. why did pzelda and el barto end up as top 2 vote getters if there were other options? im good and i was pushing ladd. empoof was good and was pushing choxorn. but ppl didnt do either

i still dont understand how el barto or pzelda were correctly identified. ive read their posts KNOWING they are bad last night and it doesnt seem any different from some of the other players who werent posting much yesterday. i can accept maybe its the kind of thing where when u know someone rlly well u pick up on small things, i do that in irl games where some of my friends i can just know when they are bad because its small differences from when good

i think with choxorn and egix not both being bad we had to have had some1 voting for a bad who is also a bad and knew they were doomed. idk if i want to kill ppl who voted for bads yet though

[merl1n]

tracker is the investigative role i play w/ the most in irl games bc no one likes cops. it's rlly weak early in game but rlly strong with most of the bads dead. i actually kind of think chox might be good for the claim bc as bad it means he never wins when making that claim and not dying

[merl1n]

vote: egix