04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[merl1n]

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

[Cuthillius]

where?

and why was monty trending up?

if you explained it yday, just say so and I can dig it up on my own

gh's wall shortly beforehand

not like a top wolf read but

Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

monty was trending up because i didn't find anything objectionable about his posts after the initial one i took issue with and the homesiters were all saying he was rather villagery

[Egix]

Who were the voters on me besides Zelda, Bart, and Cuth?

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

[Cuthillius]

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

[Montmorency]

i read the opening rule thing after part of it got quoted to me d1, and it said powers are randomized, so my understanding is that any role can be good or bad. i dont understand why you think #1 here? everyone had him and egix as the two ppl that looked the worst, and he had clarifying information potentially on both ppl

It's very good timing if you're mafia.

#2 also seems wrong bc if hes not killed and we narrow it down to only 1 bad left he is incredibly strong as a role. so he either has to clear ppl as bad or bads have to kill him or risk getting caught

Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.

with regards to #3, investigative seems fine but not blocking??? he can either catch a bad if good or has to target in who we want him to target as bad and be accountable for target selection/result

Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?

tracker is the investigative role i play w/ the most in irl games bc no one likes cops. it's rlly weak early in game but rlly strong with most of the bads dead. i actually kind of think chox might be good for the claim bc as bad it means he never wins when making that claim and not dying

You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

[ladd]

Oh that's right, I remembered wrong.

It was actually this: I thought that {Fable, Logic} ({town, town} both then and now) was an overall purer wagon than {Zelda, Bart, Cuth} which I had as {null-town, null, null-scum} at the time.

you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

[Egix]

Still reading up but pls don't listen to Monty on Chox lmao

Why not?

[Insaner]

if the game looks quite winnable/i'm widely villageread OR i have wolfmates i know and trust

Like GH?

[ladd]

can ppl explain reads on logic?

i thought he was good bc of his read on ladd, but with ladd probably being good now, logics posts look pretty suspect

GH has a ~100% read on Logic afaik and he says he is a villager

I also don't really mind logic's posts anyway

[merl1n]

i think general is good

he had a very different read on me than the rest of the game and i think bads are reluctant to go against grain like that. he also voted for barto, and then followed empoof onto choxorn, before going to pzelda, when he could have stayed on choxorn and had the accountability b on empoof

[Insaner]

Why not?

Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

[Csargo]

In the post I quoted, lol.

I'm just not seeing what you're seeing apparently, I don't see a loss of conviction in that post.

I can see where Zack would make the comparison to my DS vote in the last game where I was mafia against him, but you're forgetting the part a little later on in the day where I independently iso'd Zelda, picked out a post that I found to be a bad look, and signed off on the lynch based on my own reading.

This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.

[ladd]

oh and i think someone asked why i was associating gh and emp v/w possibilities

because of that post

the dichotomy seemed strange

and i have a lot of respect, typically, for gh's post

but it was out of place compared to the rest of the thread and i thought it seemed like the sort of post i could see wolf!gh coming in with as a not incredibly risky hot take potentially

alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

[merl1n]

It's very good timing if you're mafia.



Dangerous mindset. You have no idea who else would be left alive at F3. Like I said, I know Chox knows how to go deep.



Depends on the role assortment. You know anything about that?



You can't think of any worlds in which Choxorn makes it to F3 and mislynches? Mafia control the night kill after all.

no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

[ladd]

vote: dyachei

[Cuthillius]

Like GH?

eh, not if he peaced out entirely for the majority of the first day

but yes he fits that category more than most people in this game lol

[Egix]

you mean this was the reason for sticking to me and not voting monty instead?

Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

[Montmorency]

Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

Why? What if you, Zack, merlin, and GH are all town?

What happens if it's F3 with me, GH, and Choxorn? Who do I vote? Oops!

Zack said he was gonna be busy on N1. GH was somewhat wolfread by a few people and so were you to an even bigger extent. I think Empoof was the best NK from a purely lolspk standpoint.

What is lolspk?

This is the scummiest thing I've seen GH post all game tbh. I find it hard to believe GH would vote a scum partner so early in the game, from my experience with him, but I haven't played with him in a while. It's possible I guess, but I don't think it's likely imo.

Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

[Cuthillius]

alrighty, you said it depended on "some stuff"

what did you mean?

if i remember correctly, i was figuring the lynch would clear some things up there

because there was likely to be at least a little contrast between the viewpoints of the thread

as it is that happened and gh swung more towards the center of consensus

which i think is fairly resolving for that thread

[Montmorency]

no, i dont think a claimed tracker that has reason to be suspected ever wins in a f3 as bad. itd mean he had to avoid catching the final bad probably multiple times and the mental gymnastic hoops and sheer # of ppl hed have to clear would be impossible. blocking a potential strong role for town seems not worth it at all, even if he could be bad

I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too.

[Egix]

Oh I don't know, maybe because the wolves HAVE TO kill him if he is real or get roasted?

All right all right keep your shirt on

[Insaner]

Why? What if you, Zack, merlin, and GH are all town?

What happens if it's F3 with me, GH, and Choxorn? Who do I vote? Oops!



What is lolspk?



Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

You obviously vote Choxo if it gets this far WTH. The point is if he's town, he isn't supposed to get to F3.

Spk=strong player kill.

[merl1n]

I think you're making a big mistake thinking this logic is safe. Remember, you were pretty wrong about EOD1 too.

i had bad reads on d1, but it doesnt mean i dont have a lot of exp playing with trackers in irl games and how to handle them. ur not considering that hes going to have a lot of night actions between now and a final 3 to either catch bads, not catch bads, or have to explain away not catching bads. i think ur concerned about something that is basically impossible to happen

[ladd]

Yeah sry

It wasn't until Monty questioned me that I was reminded of what I had been thinking at the time.
Back when you first asked me, I was trying to recall why I had done what I did but hadn't quite got there.

this is villagery, I am liking your posts today a lot more

can you link me a wolf game if possible?

[Egix]

What is lolspk?

Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

- SPK = Strong Player Kill. Lol is as in 'lolwilves' I can only presume.

- From your recollection, how towny did Logic appear to be in that game?

[Csargo]

Remember Chess game? GH basically committed suicide to avoid bussing Logic. Not sure how to extrapolate though.

Yeah, it's difficult.

[ladd]

reading el barto now and it seems pretty empty?

can you explain this read, dya?

I don't think barto iso was empty at all

[Montmorency]

You obviously vote Choxo if it gets this far WTH. The point is if he's town, he isn't supposed to get to F3.

Spk=strong player kill.

I'm not giving GH the satisfaction of that classical victory! You're gonna get us killed, insaner.

i had bad reads on d1, but it doesnt mean i dont have a lot of exp playing with trackers in irl games and how to handle them. ur not considering that hes going to have a lot of night actions between now and a final 3 to either catch bads, not catch bads, or have to explain away not catching bads. i think ur concerned about something that is basically impossible to happen

Well, I've done what I can. Let's see how the chips fall.

- SPK = Strong Player Kill. Lol is as in 'lolwilves' I can only presume.

- From your recollection, how towny did Logic appear to be in that game?

You can read the game, it's called Chess Mafia (full disclosure: I solo-scummed to victory). Pizza had some kind of soul read on Logic based on differences from the previous game's performance, something to do with passive-aggressiveness. He was annihilated, and GH and Zack sacrificed themselves trying to save him. Now apparently GH has taken over as the knower of Logic meta, and this game was two years ago, so I figure we can defer to his judgement. I would like to see Logic comment more though, especially now that he's only playing one game.

[Egix]

can you link me a wolf game if possible?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80920

My most recent one

[merl1n]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80920

My most recent one

how did the cop get lynched day one