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A couple logic posts:
light town
Originally Posted by Logic:
I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
kind of like that he at least looks willing to delve more into reading cuthI'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.
I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.
Originally Posted by Logic:
Quarter-assed sort by postcount reads
I feel like I should have a better read on Zack besides null considering he's got 60 some-odd posts. I'll be watching this one some more.
I've currently got Insaner as my top town. He's playing like he's bulletproof; questioning people left and right.
I'm sticking with my Empoof is town read until forced to reevaluate. Nothing yet tells me to rethink that.
Ladd feels like his pushes are entirely too easy, and his defenses of things feel the wrong kind of dismissive.
Vote: Ladd
See my comments regarding Zack for the same feelings towards GH.
I didn't really get the suspicion of Monty, so I ISO'ed him. Upon reading it myself, I could see that as a wolf. I'd rather give him time, but he get's a slight scumlean today.
I think this post kind of reminds me of how I felt d1 with the exception of Zack and ladd.Quarter-assed sort by postcount reads
I feel like I should have a better read on Zack besides null considering he's got 60 some-odd posts. I'll be watching this one some more.
I've currently got Insaner as my top town. He's playing like he's bulletproof; questioning people left and right.
I'm sticking with my Empoof is town read until forced to reevaluate. Nothing yet tells me to rethink that.
Ladd feels like his pushes are entirely too easy, and his defenses of things feel the wrong kind of dismissive.
Vote: Ladd
See my comments regarding Zack for the same feelings towards GH.
I didn't really get the suspicion of Monty, so I ISO'ed him. Upon reading it myself, I could see that as a wolf. I'd rather give him time, but he get's a slight scumlean today.
Originally Posted by Logic:
@ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
Also kind of like this post. feels like it would be way too blatant to do as a wolf. But I also like the points he was talking about and the way he was looking into ladd@ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
light town
Originally Posted by Egix:
Just to be safe ;)
h/tJust to be safe ;)
Originally Posted by merl1n:
id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Barto did, unless you believe he calculated it at the last minute as anti-spew. Doesn't seem like Bart but idk. But there were those other reasons I and GH mentioned.id like to hear this logic (xD)
if anything, the fact that the bads didn't vote for ladd despite him being the #3 vote getter should make him more likely bad himself at a superficial look
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
I'm always town here for two reasons: First of all, while I wasn't on Barto quite as early as Zack, I too quickly pointed out a discrepancy in one of his earliest comments and would have explored it further were the f3 in my other game (now concluded) not about to start. Secondly, I consistently voted for and pushed the two mafiosi pretty much all day yesterday, always ranking Barto ahead of Monty in my personal "lynch preference" list, jumping to PZelda, independently isoing PZelda and providing further ammunition to the fire, and ultimately ending up on him. I briefly switched to Chox, yes, but that was mostly out of deference to Empoof trying for some wagonomics and I was always intending to end back up on PZelda, as I think I made pretty clear over the course of EOD1. I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.
One point I dislike is leaning on ISOs of scum. When I had to bus you and Zack in Chess, I went to feverish lengths to ISO you (but in an authentic way). Also, the "once Egix flips" line stirs some unspecified deja vu in me; I'm tilted. I'm always town here for two reasons: First of all, while I wasn't on Barto quite as early as Zack, I too quickly pointed out a discrepancy in one of his earliest comments and would have explored it further were the f3 in my other game (now concluded) not about to start. Secondly, I consistently voted for and pushed the two mafiosi pretty much all day yesterday, always ranking Barto ahead of Monty in my personal "lynch preference" list, jumping to PZelda, independently isoing PZelda and providing further ammunition to the fire, and ultimately ending up on him. I briefly switched to Chox, yes, but that was mostly out of deference to Empoof trying for some wagonomics and I was always intending to end back up on PZelda, as I think I made pretty clear over the course of EOD1. I will tolerate this tinfoiling of me for exactly the remainder of this dayphase, but once Egix flips mafia then it needs to stop.
What would you do in a F3 between you, me, and Choxorn?
Originally Posted by merl1n:
thats dumb. ppl can be wrong and still be good.
thats dumb. ppl can be wrong and still be good.
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
There's other wagonomics-related reasons too, but I'm annoyed at this point and just wanted to get my thoughts down. Will get more into detail about it when I get back but I really don't deserve the treatment that I'm getting from exactly you right now considering how my D1 and would greatly appreciate it if you recognized my contributions and started looking elsewhere.
You said you had comments about Choxorn and night kills at the beginning of the day. There's other wagonomics-related reasons too, but I'm annoyed at this point and just wanted to get my thoughts down. Will get more into detail about it when I get back but I really don't deserve the treatment that I'm getting from exactly you right now considering how my D1 and would greatly appreciate it if you recognized my contributions and started looking elsewhere.
Originally Posted by dyachei:
Town
Montmorency
Zack
Suck it Zaccino! Town
Montmorency
Zack
Originally Posted by dyachei:
Also kind of like this post. feels like it would be way too blatant to do as a wolf. But I also like the points he was talking about and the way he was looking into ladd
Hmm, that's actually kind of a pinging post. I feel like Logic calling out a player for easy pushes and dismissive defenses is SLIGHT scum equity. Concerning that he only really talked about his top town reads plus this one scum push, that he has recanted today (for good reason). Also kind of like this post. feels like it would be way too blatant to do as a wolf. But I also like the points he was talking about and the way he was looking into ladd
Originally Posted by Logic:
@ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
light town@ladd
You're going nowhere with your scum-reads, as if you are afraid to commit. However:
You've got some subtle shade on Pzelda that looks like you are reluctant to vote there.
You hedge on calling a post of mine good content wise, but wolfy in tone.
You are reluctant to to do anything with a probable Barto scum-read, instead deferring to others for meta.
You give a out of nowhere ">rand Fable/Barto W/W" and don't follow up.
I feel like you are taking pot shots to see what sticks rahter than actually solving.
What I would be looking for is who he targets for potential scumreads once he can buckle down, and how. Comment, Hankerchief?
Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
Kthxbye
I would like to preface this by saying that this post is NOT intended to be a scum case on GH. What I aim to do with this post is call the narrative of "GH pushed two wolves on D1" into question. In fact, based on a reread of his D1 iso I can't say that he pushed anybody on D1. Zack pushed for El Barto to be lynched. I pushed for pzelda to be lynched. Everybody else on those wagons was a follower.
El Barto quotes:
His early callout on Barto was A Thing™. But later he walked it back to "it's not that Barto is a wolf but rather that Monty is a villager" and even denied holding a wolf read on Barto to my face. Doesn't mention him in his next post where he puts wolf leans on 3 other people (Choxorn, merl1n, Empoof). Has Barto as the lowest placed person on his next readlist and votes him in the next post but still doesn't provide a compelling reason for the scum read.
pzelda quotes:
He straight up doesn't mention pzelda at all in his first two read posts and then puts him into a null pile in the third one. Immediately votes him after I claim to have a god read on Capage, but wasn't pleased with the situation when I later walked it back later. Ended up voting pzelda there at the end.
In summary: GH only ever spoke negatively about each of the flipped wolves, but to say that he pushed for any of them to be lynched is a stretch. There are posts where he is seen wolf reading them and being willing to vote there, but I haven't found any attempts to actually reinforce either of those wagons.
El Barto quotes:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. 
(but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)His early callout on Barto was A Thing™. But later he walked it back to "it's not that Barto is a wolf but rather that Monty is a villager" and even denied holding a wolf read on Barto to my face. Doesn't mention him in his next post where he puts wolf leans on 3 other people (Choxorn, merl1n, Empoof). Has Barto as the lowest placed person on his next readlist and votes him in the next post but still doesn't provide a compelling reason for the scum read.
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
Got any mafia? Top town? Why?
Got any mafia? Top town? Why?
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.
Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?
The only interaction he had with Barto at EoD was that question. After which he made this sneaky attempt to OPPORTUNISTICALLY™ turn the lynch on me, his supposed town read, whom he was sheeping on pzelda, his supposed wolf read.Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.
Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?
pzelda quotes:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
He straight up doesn't mention pzelda at all in his first two read posts and then puts him into a null pile in the third one. Immediately votes him after I claim to have a god read on Capage, but wasn't pleased with the situation when I later walked it back later. Ended up voting pzelda there at the end.
In summary: GH only ever spoke negatively about each of the flipped wolves, but to say that he pushed for any of them to be lynched is a stretch. There are posts where he is seen wolf reading them and being willing to vote there, but I haven't found any attempts to actually reinforce either of those wagons.
@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
Originally Posted by Fable:
i lack the appropriate wordsOriginally Posted by dyachei:
@Fable are you going to do anything this game? I mean other than post gifs
I keep trying to post a reads list and then getting distracted and I'm lynching wolves so it's k.@Fable are you going to do anything this game? I mean other than post gifs
Insaner
GH
mont
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merl1n
ladd
Zack
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csargo
dya
newyn
egix
logic
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chox
cuth
GH
mont
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merl1n
ladd
Zack
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csargo
dya
newyn
egix
logic
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chox
cuth
fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
GTH move egix and dya up a tier
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
Originally Posted by merl1n:
you think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
I think it's NAI and idk who else wolves are maybe cuth and newynyou think choxorn is bad even w the tracker claim? seems suicidal to do that as a wolf with 2 bads dead, he never wins endgame
Originally Posted by dyachei:
fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
I have to read it lol.fable, did you read my post on csargo? what do you think?
Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan:
Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
I'm speaking my truth. Can you stop bringing up chess revisionist history
Kthxbye
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief:
@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
hmmm@ Monty
Ping acknowledged but I don't think my nightkill musings is as important/sharable now.
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
Originally Posted by Cuthillius:
missed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
wolfymissed that Monty had voted me before
exciting
by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list
if so I genuinely missed it sorry
speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out
I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route
probably a villager but I have my reservations
ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't
not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts
back to sleep
I just don't buy that's what you have to say in this gamestate
esp the line about me is just so cliché and shows 0 interest in actually solving the game
esp the line about me is just so cliché and shows 0 interest in actually solving the game
Originally Posted by dyachei:
tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.
he even talks about that here
good vote though
but again, he's afraid to clear people
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
I can't really argue against the hedgy af, because it's true. It comes from a lack of confidence in my reads because I haven't played in a while.tried to grab the quotes that have substance from csargo. But like this entire post is hedgy af. He gives himself an out at every turn.
he even talks about that here
good vote though
but again, he's afraid to clear people
Here are today's reads and they feel pretty...safe? like it's not saying a lot to me in either direction
But here he's starting to get spicy with GH and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
I think overall maybe a slight scum lean? feels like he was trying to give himself an out on the barto read (though he did vote there later) and he's afraid to town read people
I'm not sure what you mean by I'm afraid to clear people? I don't trust Monty in general, but I think he's town now from what I've seen today. In the post you called safe I said I was alright with calling Zack, GH, and Insaner town, which is basically I wouldn't vote there outside of extraordinary circumstances or they really took a nosedive with their posts. That's probably the closest I'd come to clearing anybody. Because now I kinda want to vote GH.
Cool. My feelings are safe.
I'm a bundle of confusing.
You are the first person to not call me rand/null this game, congrats!
El barto is usually more carefree posting in my experience with him as town, but like I said in the first post you quoted he seemed cautious. I didn't really have anything else and that really didn't seem like much at the time.
Vote:Cuth
cuth, what did you like about monty posts that made you soften on the wolf read there?
alright my time is up
see you idk when, I'll try to pop in when I can
see you idk when, I'll try to pop in when I can
Originally Posted by ladd:
@Choxorn
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
I mean that's pretty much it, I'm inactive, which leads to playing like crap@Choxorn
I know you cliamed tracker but I find it weird that you admitted that yday you played like crap, considering that imo your posts were whatever and you simply were inactive
why did you think you played like crap besides inactivity which is perfectly explainable by real life?
who are the wolves?
Idk, Egix? Cuth? Maybe Csargo?
Originally Posted by dyachei:
kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
My switch on ladd was based largely on the way the wagons played out at EoD and seeing pzelda and Barto flip scum. I saw ladd as maybe a little scummy yesterday but if he's scum then the top 3 wagons day 1 were all scum which seems highly unlikely to me.kind of like this question from chox but I guess it could be as either alignment
he follows up with it here. I'd like to hear more from chox regarding if he still thinks ladd can be scum with barto
and here we have his claim. And his town read on ladd now.
I really want more from this slot. I think the claim could come from either alignment and the change in ladd stuff is weird. But like...I can't sort it
Didn't expect to see my post completely ignored. Oh well. At least it looks like everyone is on board with the Cuth lynch.
Vote: Cuth
After this flips wolf and I die on N2, you all know who to lynch next.
Vote: Cuth
After this flips wolf and I die on N2, you all know who to lynch next.
Originally Posted by Empoof:
If PZelda is town I deserve the night kill
@ Medic
Chuckled at this oneIf PZelda is town I deserve the night kill
@ Medic
Originally Posted by merl1n:
if pzelda is town, you won't be night killed
This was an interesting responseif pzelda is town, you won't be night killed
Kinda wolfy imo
Ladd, why did you think empoof was a pr?
When did gh become the authority on logic btw?
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