04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[Insaner]

I would like to preface this by saying that this post is NOT intended to be a scum case on GH. What I aim to do with this post is call the narrative of "GH pushed two wolves on D1" into question. In fact, based on a reread of his D1 iso I can't say that he pushed anybody on D1. Zack pushed for El Barto to be lynched. I pushed for pzelda to be lynched. Everybody else on those wagons was a follower.

El Barto quotes:

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Sup everyone.

Think there might be a phone interface through Tapatalk or something? Or check skins/styles in a dropdown list at the very bottom of the page, the default should be something like "TheGuild" or "STW" or something, idk, it's been like a decade since I've changed skins here.

Barto defense is interesting because "being busier in another game" (which I don't dispute) doesn't stop him from making a funny vote as opposed to talking about his suspicion.

Barto claims being busy/distracted as a reason why he didn't just drop a vote on you for saying you were going to phonepost (him shading people for that here is NAI; long story)

If we accept this explanation at face value, then think about which takes longer: dropping a simple vote, or posting what he posted instead in response?

Morning.

Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:

Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.

Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.

dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.

I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.

Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)

Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.

I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.

> "This is more of a 'I like Monty for town' read than a 'I like Barto for scum' read"
> GH is totally holding onto that Barto scumread amirite

Logic's town, consider this locked in.

Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.

ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.

I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.

Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:



It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.

Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.

If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:

Logic
Fable

Zack
Insaner

Monty
ladd

--- town line ---

Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix

Empoof
Choxorn

--- null/idk line ---

merl1n

El Barto

Not actually sure how much I like El Barto at the bottom but I don't really have the energy to try to find a different non-Monty lynch right now in my null territory.

Vote: El Barto

Got any mafia? Top town? Why?

Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.

Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?

His early callout on Barto was A Thing™. But later he walked it back to "it's not that Barto is a wolf but rather that Monty is a villager" and even denied holding a wolf read on Barto to my face. Doesn't mention him in his next post where he puts wolf leans on 3 other people (Choxorn, merl1n, Empoof). Has Barto as the lowest placed person on his next readlist and votes him in the next post but still doesn't provide a compelling reason for the scum read.

Got any mafia? Top town? Why?

Hm. Usually tally manipulation, if caught, is like instalynch material.

Think it's more likely that he just didn't see Monty's vote when he was making that?

The only interaction he had with Barto at EoD was that question. After which he made this sneaky attempt to OPPORTUNISTICALLY™ turn the lynch on me, his supposed town read, whom he was sheeping on pzelda, his supposed wolf read.

pzelda quotes:

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Morning.

Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:

Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.

Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.

dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.

I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.

Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)

Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.

I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.

Logic's town, consider this locked in.

Chox... might be mafia, but I'm not confident enough to go there today I don't think, and I think I can get him locked in one way or the other on D2. Would prefer not going there today.

ladd seems fine, think he's a miss.

I guess Insaner can be town and it's largely for his weird gif at me earlier today moreso than anything else he's done/general temperament.

Not as sold on Merl1n town as everyone else, and it's largely for this post:



It just seems a little overdone, even for the "I'm new and this is my first game" act he's putting on. I don't doubt that this is his first game but I feel like he's putting it on a little too much.

Empoof is gut mafia for me. Can't really explain it now. Kill me tonight if you don't want me to flesh this out please.

Guess I'm voting with my two large posts as a guideline. Anyone I haven't talked about I'm probably ambivalent about.

If I'm to put this in a readslist I think it goes something like:

Logic
Fable

Zack
Insaner

Monty
ladd

--- town line ---

Csargo
dya
Newyn
Pzelda
Cuth
Egix

Empoof
Choxorn

--- null/idk line ---

merl1n

El Barto

Ok.

Vote: PZelda

Straight up, I'm a bit annoyed that Insaner was like "I HAVE A PERFECT READ ON PZELDA AND HE IS ALWAYS MAFIA HERE" and then immediately walked it back to "well I've read him right 2 out of 3 games" but whatever, riding with this for now.

I've read the pzelda iso for myself and am officially signing off on that wagon beyond "I'll sheep Insaner on it". My main problem can be best summarized by this post:



There is no attempt at following up on this. There is no hint of an attempt at following up on this. There's clarifications, a good bit about talking about MU people and meta and anything besides actual reads and takes on people, but there's very little actual solving spirit, and in my experience people making statements similar to the bolded and going absolutely nowhere with them is a pretty reliable scumtell.

I'm hopping off in a couple minutes back on pzelda, FYI.

Vote: pzelda

pzelda > choxorn >>>>>>> el barto >> ladd

in order of preference

Feeling decent. Glad to be back here.

GL, here's hoping.

He straight up doesn't mention pzelda at all in his first two read posts and then puts him into a null pile in the third one. Immediately votes him after I claim to have a god read on Capage, but wasn't pleased with the situation when I later walked it back later. Ended up voting pzelda there at the end.


In summary: GH only ever spoke negatively about each of the flipped wolves, but to say that he pushed for any of them to be lynched is a stretch. There are posts where he is seen wolf reading them and being willing to vote there, but I haven't found any attempts to actually reinforce either of those wagons.