04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[merl1n]

logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad

if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?

[merl1n]

im still primarily focusing on ppl who didnt vote for a bad yesterday

that is [choxorn, egix, logic, newyn, myself]

choxorn is tracker claim and is probably good for it i think. i think. it guarantees he wont win personally and hes not trying to have impct on game. idk. hes not on docket for now anyway

i think newyn is good, ive tlked about this a few times. i havent liked his posts while i was catching up as much but i think its more that they didnt do anything for me to agree with them vs thinking hes bad

logic i thought was good on d1 bc of his ladd posts, and other ppl have vouched for him. trying to figure out if thats good enough now with the knolwadge that ladd was prbably good. if ppl vouching for him is a large enough sample im ok with leaving that be, but i dnt see it myself yet

that leaves egix who im voting. my hesitation/problem with egix is that he doesnt seem to all that much care that hes probably gonna die. maybe its a forum vs. irl game thing, but theres usually more panic/pushback from bads who are being turned against and they try 2 actually survive and win. el barto and pzelda didnt either tho i guess

[Zack]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

[Csargo]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

It's true.

[Zack]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

and the GAH was the GAY

[merl1n]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

[Insaner]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

General Hankerchief.

[Insaner]

[merl1n]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

[Insaner]

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

Nobody besides me has considered it.

If people have, there would be more people wolf reading GH right now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.

Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:

All right, you know what

Unvote
Vote: ladd

Choo choo mothertruckers

He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.

(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)

Tally:
4 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius, Egix)
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
1 Csargo (GH)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
1 PZelda (Insaner)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
2 Ladd (Fable, Logic)

Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo

LMK if i've made a mistake.

So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.

That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.

Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?

Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.

[Logic]

Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.

Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:



He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.

(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)



So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.

That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.

Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?

Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.

Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.

Right, yeah, when it was too late. Still not sure it changes my calculus much. Maybe means a max of one on ladd before Barto moved, just because I think most teams don't like to bunch up that much.

[merl1n]

thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit

ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?

[Insaner]

thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit

ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?

Admit it nobody will give you a better answer than mine.

[Logic]

logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad

if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?

I don't expect anyone without knowledge of my player specific meta to think I'm good. I always look a bit scummy no matter my alignment.

As for Ladd specifically, I saw a couple posts that concerned me, and followed up on those. I currently believe I was following a dead end. Others so far, haven't made posts that cause me significant concern.
@Insaner I might vote for cuthillius today, but him suspecting, pressuring, and dropping me has me thinking he just might be town. I don't know if he gives up like that on something so easily? I'm not sure what to make of it, but I'm not ruling out him pocketing me, and I've already said I dislike making decisions solely on a "TWTBAW" basis, but that's a really weird move to drop a scumread of me from so little interaction.