04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[Zack]

I see insaner is reprising the cemeteries role here.

[Logic]

@ merl1n I have a 100% wolf read on GH here.

If I was in a position of tiebreaking GH or chox, I'd vote for GH 95% of the time.

[Zack]

Also, I doubt there are any 3p in this game

[Zack]

If I was in a position of tiebreaking GH or chox, I'd vote for GH 95% of the time.

I can feel gh's internal screaming from here

[Insaner]

I see insaner is reprising the cemeteries role here.

[Cuthillius]

we're not touching a hair on gh's head here

[merl1n]

merlin, can you explain what exactly felt artificial about insaner posts d1 and why did you say you liked him cliaming a 100% read on pzelda but made no effort trying to sort out pzelda and see if insaner may havehad apoint?

he just felt really artificial. he'd oscillate between kind of crazy aggression with seeming rlly overly reasonable/kind of slimy posts. kind of a caricature maybe? IME bads tend to be a lot more aggressive and try to get their way and he fit that archetype, especially when ppl were voting for ppl that felt like they just hadnt done anything to read into. i still dont understand y ppl picked el barto and pzelda over the like 6 other ppl who hadnt done anything, thats why i felt so hesitant/suspicious towards ppl pushing on the low content lynches. csargo got mentioned bsiclly 0 times on d1 for example. dyachei wasnt here and got barely talked about. logic had the post on u then disappeared. i did read pzelda and try to figure out what i thought, i made a post saying they cld die after doing so, maybe i should have been more clear? i just didnt feel like there was anything in there that made them good or bad and ppl having such sure reads felt rlly weird to me on d1. d1 is usually just killing someone who is suspicious and then real game starts on n1/d2. its unfortunate reality that i found most of the ppl pushing pzelda to be suspicious but theres a good chance they were all good. or mostly good. i have 1 person on that vote that im looking into atm. i liked insaner having that 100% confidence bc if he was a bad pushing a lynch on a good it makes him accountable for it and hed be under a lot of scrutiny, so i thought it made him more likely good. theres a small part of me that is kind of scared he had that 100% confidence because he knew pzelda was bad tho, bc i dont like any other reads hes pushing right now i dont think

[Zack]

we're not touching a hair on gh's head here

That is quite dirty and rather inappropriate, cuth.

[Insaner]

we're not touching a hair on gh's head here

[Cuthillius]

That is quite dirty and rather inappropriate, cuth.

we're not touching gh at all

[Logic]

I can feel gh's internal screaming from here

Why? It would be consistent with his post in 1170. lul

[merl1n]

ya i think general is very likely good here, and i dont understand insaners posts abt him

[ladd]

a bit at loss on who exactly to lynch

I think the PoE is good and I am very confident on my villas but as for the rest it's just shrug

I guess I should start collecting non w/w reads on the people in the PoE and see where that brings me

[Insaner]

ya i think general is very likely good here, and i dont understand insaners posts abt him

What makes general good iyo?

[merl1n]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

[Zack]

What makes general good iyo?

the chain of command

[Insaner]

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

Nobody besides me has considered it.

If people have, there would be more people wolf reading GH right now.

[Zack]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

and the GAH was the GAY

[merl1n]

What makes general good iyo?

i think the combination of posts he had about el barto and pzelda makes him very unlikely to be a partner with both of them. if one was bad and the other good i think hed be possible, but both seems unlikely to me. he also went against the grain w/ a read on me in a way that felt real. if he was bad hed have room to actually push me today on the back of that since i was so wrong on d1 but he hasnt

[GeneralHankerchief]

cld more ppl answer this? "what were bads actually doing" feels like an important thing to consider with the votes being what they were

Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.

Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:

All right, you know what

Unvote
Vote: ladd

Choo choo mothertruckers

He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.

(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)

Tally:
4 Montmorency (El Barto, Pzelda, Cuthillius, Egix)
4 El Barto (Montmorency, Zack, Empoof, ladd)
1 Csargo (GH)
1 Choxorn (Newyn)
1 PZelda (Insaner)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
2 Ladd (Fable, Logic)

Not voting: Merl1n, Dyachei, Csargo

LMK if i've made a mistake.

So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.

That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.

Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?

Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.

[Zack]

Sometimes, I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer. Ladd never did.
Now, I'm not giving him lock-scum, but I don't think this is a good look. Especially seeing how he responded to other posts I have made in the interim.

His push on me seems entirely fake, and that is why I'm not switching, barring some kind of CFD onto someone I think is a villager, where I will vote a counterwagon to said hypothetical villager.

this is the post that made me think "yeah logic is a villager"

"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this

[Insaner]

i think the combination of posts he had about el barto and pzelda makes him very unlikely to be a partner with both of them. if one was bad and the other good i think hed be possible, but both seems unlikely to me. he also went against the grain w/ a read on me in a way that felt real. if he was bad hed have room to actually push me today on the back of that since i was so wrong on d1 but he hasnt

What posts? GH never talked about pzelda at all until I literally forced his hand by telling him to sheep my god read on Capage. He had little choice in the matter because I would always push his lynch through since people were villa reading me and some were already saying I could be right. Pzelda was always going to die in this game because of my push. The only thing GH he could have done to salvage the situation was get on board with the lynch. You said it yourself.

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

Which is exactly what he did. And it was the same thing with El Barto because Zack was always going to get him lynched. I made a post where I included every post GH made about El Barto and pzelda and there wasn't a single one where he actually proactively pushed the lynch on either of them - there was only sheeping. People should not be giving GH credit for either of those flips.

[Zack]

hey i'm on a computer for the first time since friday

neat!

[GeneralHankerchief]

@Montmorency

The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.

[GeneralHankerchief]

What posts? GH never talked about pzelda at all until I literally forced his hand by telling him to sheep my god read on Capage. He had little choice in the matter because I would always push his lynch through since people were villa reading me and some were already saying I could be right. Pzelda was always going to die in this game because of my push. The only thing GH he could have done to salvage the situation was get on board with the lynch. You said it yourself.



Which is exactly what he did. And it was the same thing with El Barto because Zack was always going to get him lynched. I made a post where I included every post GH made about El Barto and pzelda and there wasn't a single one where he actually proactively pushed the lynch on either of them - there was only sheeping. People should not be giving GH credit for either of those flips.

For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.

I could simply have ignored you, for starters.

[Zack]

@Montmorency

The reason I avoided you earlier was because I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer.

this is the post that made me think "yeah generalhankerchief is a villager"

"I like to intentionally fail to answer questions and see if the person asking follows up and demands from me an answer" what wolf ever says/does this

[Logic]

Well, look at it empirically. PZelda wasn't around. Barto was... doing whatever that was. That's two of the (presumed) four who weren't really having much of an impact at EOD.

Let's say the third was Egix just for argument's sake. Egix's last post of D1 was this, with an hour and 40 minutes before the lynch:



He moved off Monty to ladd, both of whom I have as town, at a time when PZelda was starting to pick up momentum.

(here's the tally 45 minutes before the Egix vote, not quite up to date at the time of the vote, but should give you a decent picture + movement to Pzelda:)



So Egix was trying to get a town lynched.

That leaves the fourth. It's looking like it's between PZelda, Choxorn, and Barto. ladd was kind of in contention but I personally don't really think that he was ever in serious danger there, simply because too many people, myself included, wanted to give him a day out of respect for his solving skills. In a situation like this, where you have mafia/mafia/town (presumed) wagons, and one of your other partners is already on town, what do you do?

1 Montmorency (Pzelda,)
4 El Barto (Zack, Cuth, Csargo, Monty)
5 PZelda (Insaner, Dya, GH, Fable, ladd)
1 Newyn (Choxorn)
3 Ladd (Logic, Egix, merl1n)
1 Insaner (El Barto)
2 Choxorn (Empoof, Newyn)

I'm not coloring in my leans, only the exact flips so far.

Barto and PZelda were spread out. Egix was on ladd. Do you bunch up on ladd, try for Choxorn, or just bus?

Most of my not-Egix POE are spread out, so I can't think of a good answer. Newyn's in the "try for the town that your other partner not in danger isn't trying for" camp on Choxorn. Csargo could be bussing Barto. dya could be bussing PZelda. You could be doubling up on ladd trying to make sure a townie goes down. Not really sure we can get a full picture with what we know so far, there are too many possible people and too many unknowns at present.

Don't forget that Barto did try a vote for Ladd post EOD.

[merl1n]

thats the "what happened" pov ya. im thinking more on specifics in terms of how ppl positioned themselves to get credit or not get credit

ive bn focusing on the ppl who didnt vote for a bad but: im good, i think newyn is good, ppl call logic good, that leaves exactly egix. so theres at least 1 and maybe 2 ppl bussing if egix is bad/good respectively. with two bads under fire, who looked like they were trying to turn a shitty situation into something that benefitted them?

[Zack]

For the most part I'm not going to be engaging with you for the rest of this phase, but the red is completely ridiculous.

I could simply have ignored you, for starters.

only the red part was ridiculous?

[ladd]

i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist

which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?

but so was logic and you just voted him?

missed that Monty had voted me before

exciting

by the way fable have you mentioned me at all apart from grouping me with newyn and putting me at the bottom of that list

if so I genuinely missed it sorry

speaking of newyn, I don't get the sense anyone's really... trying to figure him out

I really like his d1 on a certain level but a) he knows how to pocket me like a champ sometimes and b) if the last wolf is someone who's very much underwhelming and there's no good way tomorrow is ending I could see you going for the deep bus route

probably a villager but I have my reservations

ladd is in this weird spot where I feel like I should feel something about him but I don't

not great at reading dya but she hasn't had incredibly villagery posts

i

really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why

there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read

and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past

but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little

maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows

can you explain what made you switch this read so drastically?

I get that you said you can't figure out why, but can you try to go slightly more in detail?

thanks