Coronavirus / COVID-19

**ReluctantSamurai** · 04-06-2020, 14:14

Trump? Seriously???

The virus will not have a chance against us. No nation is more prepared or more resilient than the United States.

We are all in this together. We must put politics aside, stop the partisanship, and unify together as one nation and one family.

Acting with compassion and love, we will heal the sick, care for those in need, help our fellow citizens

And you hold up this drivel from Trump as something equivalent to the graceful message put forth by the Queen?

Biden's quote.....meh, stock response from someone running for the presidency.

As for the rest of those quotes....we are talking about the here and now. THIS disaster dwarfs all of those.

Jeez, why not quote Kennedy, FDR, and Abe Lincoln while you're at it?

**Greyblades** · 04-06-2020, 18:32

Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai

Trump? Seriously???

And you hold up this drivel from Trump as something equivalent to the graceful message put forth by the Queen?

Biden's quote.....meh, stock response from someone running for the presidency.

As for the rest of those quotes....we are talking about the here and now. THIS disaster dwarfs all of those.

Jeez, why not quote Kennedy, FDR, and Abe Lincoln while you're at it?

I might as well, that was my point: the sentiment is ubiquitous in american speechmaking.

Your response also reinforces my previous point that whether the sentiment lands is reliant on the partisanship.

That the queen maintains impartiality means that her expressing the sentiment actually gets through and is appreciated by the majority of the population.

**ReluctantSamurai** · 04-06-2020, 19:17

Your response also reinforces my previous point that whether the sentiment lands is reliant on the partisanship.

I detest both Republicans and Democrats. I just detest Republicans more. I can praise GOP Gov. DeWine of Ohio without a shred of partisanship. He put the people and businesses of his state before politics, rather than toe the party line.

As to the Queen, when you watched her speak, you just KNEW she meant every word. That's what transcends politics, for me, not that she's basically just a royalty figurehead.

**Seamus Fermanagh** · 04-06-2020, 19:39

Effective Rhetoric, as has long been codified, requires an appeal on three levels: Pathos, Logos, and Ethos.

If I am charitable, Trump often (though not consistently) expresses the right kind of feelings (we'll get through this, we are tougher than this, etc.) So did Elizabeth II.

Charitably...okay, very charitably, Trump often (though only when prepped and not wandering ad lib) gets the logical stuff correct. But he misses and retracts etc. a lot to get there. Elizabeth kept it simple and did it in one take.

The last quality is ethos -- the appeal of ethical behavior and credibility. Elizabeth has Trump on the gravitas meter by at least a couple orders of magnitude.

Double reverse spin backwards overhead slam dunk by Windsor while Trump stands confused at the top of the key.

**Pannonian** · 04-06-2020, 19:49

Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Effective Rhetoric, as has long been codified, requires an appeal on three levels: Pathos, Logos, and Ethos.

If I am charitable, Trump often (though not consistently) expresses the right kind of feelings (we'll get through this, we are tougher than this, etc.) So did Elizabeth II.

Charitably...okay, very charitably, Trump often (though only when prepped and not wandering ad lib) gets the logical stuff correct. But he misses and retracts etc. a lot to get there. Eligravitaszabeth kept it simple and did it in one take.

The last quality is ethos -- the appeal of ethical behavior and credibility. Elizabeth has Trump on the gravitas meter by at least a couple orders of magnitude.

Double reverse spin backwards overhead slam dunk by Windsor while Trump stands confused at the top of the key.

She's also part of the generation that the allied nations revere as the greatest in their history. While Trump references WWII as the reasoning for some foreign policy crud or other, she was a servicewoman in it, famously pushing to serve as soon as she was old enough.