Re: POTUS Election Thread 2020
Although I agree with a lot of what progressives are trying to accomplish, I just don't get this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ts-biden-trump
So, let me get this straight, you can't get your party candidate to give you everything you want, you would rather see someone who is actively trying to dismantle healthcare in this country, would like nothing better than to see immigrants all deported or jailed, who is rescinding one environmental policy after another, who thinks climate change is a hoax, and seems determined to militarize law enforcement as much as possible, get elected because you're having a temper tantrum over policy?“I don’t want to vote for Joe Biden and I don’t want to vote for Trump,” said Jason Kishineff, who is running for city council in American Canyon, California. “I think either choice is going to lead to human extinction.”
Kishineff is part of a progressive, far-left group of voters who say they will not vote for Biden, even if it means a Trump victory, largely because of the candidate’s failure to adopt a progressive agenda on healthcare, mass incarceration, the environment and policing.
There aren't many politicians these days who don't. Biden is probably no exception. No candidate has a pristine record. It's a function of how screwed up the election process is in this country. The amount of money required to run an election is staggering, and it's difficult not to accept donations from people who you might become beholden to later on.While Cruse is staunchly against Trump and the Republican party, he said Biden represents many of the same ideals as the current president when it comes to corporate politics.
Can someone explain to me how that last statement makes any sense? Fearless Leader is "out front" with how he's going to fuck you, and that makes it ok.Angelica Whipple agreed that avoiding a Trump re-election was not enough reason to vote for Biden.
Whipple had voted for Barack Obama in previous elections but said that her political views changed in 2016, when Sanders ran for president. The Medicare for All platform, and legalization of marijuana, became non-negotiable to her. Biden has not committed to either of those policies, though he supports a public option health plan.
“He’s very steadfast in not doing anything for progressives,” Whipple said. “I don’t see how he’s that much better than Trump. At least with Trump we see it out front.”
But it's somehow ok to give tacit support (by not voting his ass out of office) to a man who thinks that protesters should all be put in jail, and is actively encouraging the far-right radicals in this country to show up to protests and shoot people exercising their First Amendment rights?“He’s been doing all of these horrendously centrist things and surrendering to the Republican narrative of protesters being rioters,” said Matt Myers, a software engineer in Seattle. “Making the false equivalence … it’s just not acceptable. He’s basically kicking the left in the teeth.”
Your integrity? What about the integrity of our democracy, which this president is actively trying to dismantle? Or how about the integrity of the voting process central to that democracy?Even so, several of the progressive voters said they would consider voting for Biden if he were to adopt some of their key platforms, such as Medicare for All, which has widespread support among Democrats. So far, they said, that hasn’t come to fruition. “If Biden is willing to support [those policies] I will sacrifice my own integrity and vote for him,” Kishineff said.
Ahhh...give me my lollypop, and we'll be good little boys and girls.Cruse also said he would vote for Biden if he were to adopt Medicare for All and legalization of marijuana. But, he said, that would still be a “huge compromise”. And Jessica, a voter in Texas that the Guardian spoke to earlier this year said she still plans to vote for the Green party.
Myers is hoping Biden will also reform student debt, which left him bankrupt after he went to college for the first time. While he is already planning to vote for Biden, he continues to be a vocal critic to help try to push the platform left, which he said is not only ideological but a better strategy for Democrats.
Now the central idea to this I can agree with. The two-party system is broken, perhaps beyond repair. But first you have to rid this country from a wannabee tyrant who might just make that point moot.But for some of the #BernieorBust crowd, voting for a third-party candidate or withholding their vote is not only about Trump and Biden. It’s about trying to diminish the country’s two-party system, in which Democrats and Republicans both have compromised on what they care about the most.
Until then, and perhaps in spite of that, this group of voters have no plans to lend their support to what they see as an establishment candidate. Kishineff said he will vote for Gloria La Riva, from the Party for Socialism and Liberation. Cruse plans to vote Green party, he said, to send a message to the Democrats. Whipple plans to write in Bernie Sanders.
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Originally Posted by ReluctantSamurai
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