POTUS/General Election Thread 2020 + Aftermath

[Gilrandir]

The colonies of Maryland, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, & Rhode Island were founded by religious groups seeking a chance to worship as they saw fit. None of these religious communities remained in charge of those colonies at the time we sought independence.

Evidently, there is a question what can be considered the foundation of the country - the initial pilgrim settlement or gaining independence.

Yo, what about me, I love it when people talk about me

Beside calling me names you didn't participate in the disussion, so I can't size you up.

my desire is to secure social peace where the forces of Reaction seek to disrupt it.

In what way? By disregarding the conerns of 40% of voters? That's rich.

How can there be conciliation if only one side wants it?

Judging by what you say and how you say it, you don't want it either.

That is a lie. I refer to specific actions and belief systems that damage the country. One side wants to expand economic relief and healthcare in a recession and the other demands blood to satisfy the injury it believes the first has contrived against it. The first part of that injury being a Communist Deep State conspiracy to steal the presidency. It is wrong to appease such and your desire to have me appease them places you in support of fascism and therefore in support of conflict.

You still don't make difference between the Republican party and ordinary people who voted for them. The latter are not a uniform group with one purpose in their mind. There are decent people among them who have their honest concerns and aspirations. These are recommended to heed if you want to have civil peace, as you claim.

You, of course, have never hesitated to howl whenever anyone suggested Ukraine make unilateral concessions to Russia. How about you just vote to be reabsorbed into Russia, or at least rejoin the CIS with reduced governmental sovereignty. I'm 100% sure that will reduce squabbling and fighting, so your refusal to support that course makes you a fanatical enemy of peace.

What is objectionable in the above? I'll tell you what, that it is a grotesque and abusive deception in all aspects. I wish you wouldn't succumb to those. There is no reason why Ukraine should need to surrender itself to appease anyone, it is not the major cause of the conflict or its continuation, and to the extent a policy of surrender is possible it will not resolve the conflict anyway.

Again Ukraine.

It is a fallacious approach again.
First of all, I speak of BOTH sides making steps to agreement, and you of unilateral concessions.

Then, one can't draw analogies between internal tensions within a democracy with a 200-year history behind them and a young fledgling country under the attack of a predator neighbor. For you, inclusion is a means of reconciliation within the country, for us any concession (at least those that Russia has in mind) spells the end of the country.

You never identify these ordinary people and or your concern for them. What is going to happen? Who is doing what? There is only one side where ordinary people are in support of mass violence and political domination. Look there to find the locus of squabbling and fighting.

Judging from your and ReluctantSamurai's blood-thirsty vocabulary, anything may happen. But the likeliest picture is giving a cold shoulder to those who you identify as Republican voters on a simple reason that all of them "are in support of mass violence and political domination" with subsequent estrangement and siloing of both camps.

What friendly advice would you have had for the German Jews in the 1930s ? This isn't a trick question. I'm not asking anything complicated or spicy, like about the Tigray in Ethiopia. I demand you answer the question directly, as a test of your principles.

Again a flawed comparison. By drawing it you present yourself and your supporters as people being hunted and sent to concentration camps which is definitely and exaggeration. Are there any pogroms of Democratic voters being planned or having been executed? What you present as life-or-death fight doesn't qualify as one. When the transition of power is finalized, the passions will die down and you wil return to normalcy. Or should return if you take steps to maintaining rapport with your political adversaries (which you evidently consider your enemies).

That is a lie. You describe the Republican approach. It is unjust and unjustifiable to turn it onto me if your purpose is something other than harassment.

My approach is neither Republican nor Democratic. It's common-sensical. But you keep propelling he-that-is-not-with-us-is-against-us approach. Which is contrary to what your new leader said, by the way.

Ukraine remains embroiled in a frozen civil war.

Let me adopt your way of communicating:

That is a lie. You describe the Republican Russian approach.

Conflicts escalate all the time.

Wrong. Look at Cyprus or Moldova. Conflicts escalate as a rule when some stakeholder is interested in it.

You offer nothing toward resolving real-world conflicts in or out of America, other than a not-so-tacit recommendation that the less aggressive factions submit unconditionally to the more aggressive ones.

Wrong. In post #705 I adumbrated possible directions along which you are to move.

Apparently you would be cheering for BLM had the protesters been demanding civil war, to be consistent - right? Nah, you expressed alarm about a black militia in a conversation laying out extensive white police and militia aggression.

You more than once pointed to my mental deficiencies and stubborness, but you keep saying things that point to the same. I more than once expressed my repulsion of ANY violence aimed at innocent people (be it black or white). But you keep repeating the misconception you pasted on me and hanging the dog for a bad name you gave.

If you have such a low opinion of black folk and such a high one of white folk, justify that. If you think fascists have the higher standing and deserve the higher consideration than liberals, justify that.

See above. But generally, it is funny to hear any accusations of racism from a person who indulges in racist jokes.

Don't you feel shame? You insult me over and over while refusing to care even a little about getting something right. Someone who doesn't care about right or wrong, factually or ethically, is contemptible.

I insult you only in response. And if someone having his own opinion which doesn't coincide with yours is an insult, well, I'm starting to believe that you are in for a life-or-death fight with your political opponents.

You thereby destroy any possibility of collaborative civil discourse, ironically.

I don't need it, while you do - collaborative civil discourse WITHIN YOUR COUNTRY.

That Harlem mugger has you by the neck yet you would have me insist that you are killing yourself.

The metaphor is wrong as Harlem as safe as the Vatican at noon, as you claim.

At any rate I feel sorry for your students who have a teacher who holds himself to a lower standard than he would them.

And I feel sorry for the country where the Good side (as you claim) is so intolerant and aggressive towards all dissident.

Think hard about how you wish to proceed as I will disregard any comment that doesn't contain:

1. Evidence
2. An argument

My chief argument: the evidence from a personnaly-interested stakeholder isn't considered valid at court thus it shouldn't be considered serious here either. Why should I unquestioningly side with you if I
1) didn't hear the Republican take on the conflict.
2) see your aggression towards opponents.
3) witness your emotions prevail over common sense.

In 21st century America it is the defining factor. Partisan sorting, partisan hyperpolarization, and negative partisanship (all of which are historically and geographically-contingent) make it so.

Which is what you further by your attitude.